Tracy McGrady, the choking loser

[StateOfMind12]

Tracy McGrady post-season series record when playing: 0-7.
Tracy McGrady post-season series record when not playing: 1-1 (2009)

Lettuce beef real tea here, Tracy McGrady is a loser and a choking loser at that.

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2001 NBA Playoffs - The Magic were the 7th seed in the East and lost in 4 against the Bucks.

Tracy McGrady shot a TS% or 48.3% which is pathetic. Anytime a TS% is below 50% you know its terrible. It is bad enough to have a TS% below 55% but below 50%? You have to be truly awful and an inefficient chucker to do that and that was what T-mac was in that series.

McGrady also shot a pathetic FG% of 41.5% and an even more pathetic 3 point percentage of 20%.

2002 NBA Playoffs- The Magic were the 5th seed in the East and lost to the Hornets in 4. However, the Magic and the Hornets finished with the same record of 44-38 that season. Hornets just happened to have won that tiebreaker and got HCA.

Tmac's numbers were nice if you look at the averages. However, anyone who saw that series knows how truly pathetic Tmac was especially down the stretch.

Baron Davis absolutely outperformed Tmac in the clutch. All of those games in that series was close but the biggest reason why the Hornets won that series especially in 4 opposed to 5 was the fact that Baron Davis was more clutch.

The Hornets were also missing their 2nd best player, Jamal Mashburn in that series. So Tracy McGrady got outperformed by Baron Davis and lost to a team that didn't even have their 2nd best player.

What makes this even more funny was that Tracy McGrady publicly criticized his own teammates after that series stating how Baron's teammates were much better. That doesn't sound like he is making excuses, it sounds like he a winner to me.

2003 NBA Playoffs - The Magic were the 8th seed in the East and lost to the Pistons in 7.

T-Mac was dominant in this series.....for the first 4 games. So dominant in fact that the Magic had a 3-1 series lead. T-Mac then stated how it finally felt nice to get out of the 1st round after Game 4. We all know what happened from there, Tmac ended up losing 3 straight games and he never made it past the 1st round.

2005 NBA Playoffs - The Rockets were the 5th seed in the West and lost to the Mavericks in 7.

The Rockets managed to steal HCA from the Mavericks immediately and won the first two games at Dallas. The Rockets ended up losing three straight games and the Rockets fell behind 2-3 after Game 5. Tmac was pathetic in that Game 7 and the Rockets lost by like 40 in that Game 7.

2007 NBA Playoffs - The Rockets were the 4th seed in the West and lost to the Jazz in 7. The Rockets had HCA in this series.

The Rockets had a 2-0 lead in the series. The Rockets then had a 3-2 lead in the series and they lost in 7.

Tmac was pathetic in this series. He shot below a TS% of 50% again in this series. He shot specifically 47.8% TS% in this series which is pathetic because anything under a TS% of 50% is pathetic and it is bad enough if it is below 53-55%.

Derek Fisher was guarding Tracy McGrady in this series, Derek ****ing Fisher and he managed to hold Tmac to a TS% of 47.8% and a FG% of 39.4%. That is pathetic. Derek Fisher is giving up like 7-8 inches to Tracy McGrady and he still manages to make him shoot less than 40% from the field? and a TS% of less than 50%? That is ****ing pathetic.

What was even more pathetic was Game 7 of the 4th quarter of how Tracy Mcgrady performed. All he ever did was settle for p[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ssy jump shot after jump shot. They also had a lead coming into the 4th or at least midway in the 4th. They blew it though because Tmac is a choking loser.

2008 NBA Playoffs - The same thin as the 2007 NBA playoffs, The Rockets were the 4th seed in the West and lost to the Jazz in 7. The Rockets had HCA in this series. The only difference was that Yao Ming was out for this series due to an injury.

Still Tracy McGrady played just as pathetic, if not more pathetic than he did in 2007.

McGrady shot a TS% under 50% with 47.8% once again like he did in the last post-season against the Jazz.


If Tracy's career were to end after 2004 due to some devastating injury or due to a retirement or whatever then maybe you could justify how much of a loser he was. However, looking at how he was unable to do anything in Houston despite playing with all that talent he had shows everything you need to know about Tmac. The guy was a choking loser, plain and simple.

[SpecialQue]

Goddamn, dude. That thread title is harsh as hell.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tracy McGrady post-season series record when playing: 0-7.
Tracy McGrady post-season series record when not playing: 1-0 (2009)

RRR3 is raging

[MichaelCheazley]

[Zackmorris]

Goddamn, dude. That thread title is harsh as hell.

Word. WTF happen?

[PJR]

One of the most overrated players on ISH. Just because his game was aesthetically pleasing, doesn't mean it was winning a brand. Good thread.

[kNIOKAS]

just when negs are gone

I'm fine with T-Mac (some say T-Pain), I only dislike how he is overrated by his fans due to the animatic playing style. He was something to watch, sure. Just not exponentialy great, and playoffs record reminds.

[StateOfMind12]

One of the most overrated players on ISH. Just because his game was aesthetically pleasing, doesn't mean it was winning a brand. Good thread.

For real. People like to nag on LeBron for being a choker or a loser but LeBron isn't even close to being a loser like Tmac is. If you want to take look at a loser, you take a look at Tmac. LeBron looks like Bill Russell when compared to Tmac.

Tmac did nothing but underachieve in his career. While LeBron has also underachieved for part of his career, it certainly wasn't as much or as bad as Tmac's under achievements were. LeBron has also massively overachieved for most of his career and that is something we cannot say about and for Tmac.

[Owl]

Tracy McGrady post-season series record when playing: 0-7.
Tracy McGrady post-season series record when not playing: 1-0 (2009)

Lettuce beef real tea here, Tracy McGrady is a loser and a choking loser at that.

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2001 NBA Playoffs - The Magic were the 7th seed in the East and lost in 4 against the Bucks.

Tracy McGrady shot a TS% or 48.3% which is pathetic. Anytime a TS% is below 50% you know its terrible. It is bad enough to have a TS% below 55% but below 50%? You have to be truly awful and an inefficient chucker to do that and that was what T-mac was in that series.

McGrady also shot a pathetic FG% of 41.5% and an even more pathetic 3 point percentage of 20%.

2002 NBA Playoffs- The Magic were the 5th seed in the East and lost to the Hornets in 4. However, the Magic and the Hornets finished with the same record of 44-38 that season. Hornets just happened to have won that tiebreaker and got HCA.

Tmac's numbers were nice if you look at the averages. However, anyone who saw that series knows how truly pathetic Tmac was especially down the stretch.

Baron Davis absolutely outperformed Tmac in the clutch. All of those games in that series was close but the biggest reason why the Hornets won that series especially in 4 opposed to 5 was the fact that Baron Davis was more clutch.

The Hornets were also missing their 2nd best player, Jamal Mashburn in that series. So Tracy McGrady got outperformed by Baron Davis and lost to a team that didn't even have their 2nd best player.

What makes this even more funny was that Tracy McGrady publicly criticized his own teammates after that series stating how Baron's teammates were much better. That doesn't sound like he is making excuses, it sounds like he a winner to me.

2003 NBA Playoffs - The Magic were the 8th seed in the East and lost to the Pistons in 7.

T-Mac was dominant in this series.....for the first 4 games. So dominant in fact that the Magic had a 3-1 series lead. T-Mac then stated how it finally felt nice to get out of the 1st round after Game 4. We all know what happened from there, Tmac ended up losing 3 straight games and he never made it past the 1st round.

2005 NBA Playoffs - The Rockets were the 5th seed in the West and lost to the Mavericks in 7.

The Rockets managed to steal HCA from the Mavericks immediately and won the first two games at Dallas. The Rockets ended up losing three straight games and the Rockets fell behind 2-3 after Game 5. Tmac was pathetic in that Game 7 and the Rockets lost by like 40 in that Game 7.

2007 NBA Playoffs - The Rockets were the 4th seed in the West and lost to the Jazz in 7. The Rockets had HCA in this series.

The Rockets had a 2-0 lead in the series. The Rockets then had a 3-2 lead in the series and they lost in 7.

Tmac was pathetic in this series. He shot below a TS% of 50% again in this series. He shot specifically 47.8% TS% in this series which is pathetic because anything under a TS% of 50% is pathetic and it is bad enough if it is below 53-55%.

Derek Fisher was guarding Tracy McGrady in this series, Derek ****ing Fisher and he managed to hold Tmac to a TS% of 47.8% and a FG% of 39.4%. That is pathetic. Derek Fisher is giving up like 7-8 inches to Tracy McGrady and he still manages to make him shoot less than 40% from the field? and a TS% of less than 50%? That is ****ing pathetic.

What was even more pathetic was Game 7 of the 4th quarter of how Tracy Mcgrady performed. All he ever did was settle for p[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ssy jump shot after jump shot. They also had a lead coming into the 4th or at least midway in the 4th. They blew it though because Tmac is a choking loser.

2008 NBA Playoffs - The same thin as the 2007 NBA playoffs, The Rockets were the 4th seed in the West and lost to the Jazz in 7. The Rockets had HCA in this series. The only difference was that Yao Ming was out for this series due to an injury.

Still Tracy McGrady played just as pathetic, if not more pathetic than he did in 2007.

McGrady shot a TS% under 50% with 47.8% once again like he did in the last post-season against the Jazz.


If Tracy's career were to end after 2004 due to some devastating injury or due to a retirement or whatever then maybe you could justify how much of a loser he was. However, looking at how he was unable to do anything in Houston despite playing with all that talent he had shows everything you need to know about Tmac. The guy was a choking loser, plain and simple.

There might be a case for T-Mac as a choker but this isn't it. Sorry but cherry picking specific stats doesn't make a for a watertight case.

I mean

Tracy McGrady post-season series record when not playing: 1-0 (2009)

What does that even mean. Teams without Tracy McGrady's win percentage in the playoffs is very slightly under .500 as historically, most teams haven't had Tracy McGrady.

2001: You looked exclusively at shooting percentages. To be sure T-Mac shot badly that series. He also had 8.3 assists per game, and generally filled up the box score. T-Mac's PER for the series 26.8. PER for their next best player (over 20 minutes per game) 14 (Bo Outlaw)

2002: T Mac's numbers do indeed look nice. But apparently he didn't perform down the stretch. Whatever, presumably being awesome 44 1/2 minutes per game isn't enough, yoou have to hit the winner and your team has to win or you're useless. T-Mac's PER 25.6, next best player Monty Williams 17.3.

2003: You acknowledge T-Mac was awesome for 4 games. Again McGrady was spectacular. Was it his fault Darrell Armstong put up 15 points in the last two games versus Chauncey Billups 77? The Magic had 5 guys who played more than a hundred minutes that series who had a PER below ten
for a quick view of how bad that is see the link http://www.basketball-reference.com/...order_by_asc=Y
T-Mac PER 27. Next best Magic player Drew Gooden 16.8
Note, at point T-Mac had peaked. In 2004 injuries and heavy minutes took their toll. Mcgrady was never the same after 2004.
I'm not going to run through the rest of the series in part because I don't care as much about T-Mac after that point and in part because it seems like labouring a point. I'll just post this link http://www.basketball-reference.com/...playoffs::none Sure if you measure individual by team performance then McGrady wasn't a great player (Jud Buechler was though). If you look selectively at specific statistics he looks bad too. If you look at what he did rather than "clutchness" measured by team results then McGrady was a remarkable player.

[el_locoteee]

Tracy McGrady post-season series record when playing: 0-7.
Tracy McGrady post-season series record when not playing: 1-1 (2009)

Fixed.

Get your facts straight

[StateOfMind12]

There might be a case for T-Mac as a choker but this isn't it. Sorry but cherry picking specific stats doesn't make a for a watertight case

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It actually is, you tell me that I'm cherry picking stats yet you are doing the very same. lol.

2002: T Mac's numbers do indeed look nice. But apparently he didn't perform down the stretch. Whatever, presumably being awesome 44 1/2 minutes per game isn't enough, yoou have to hit the winner and your team has to win or you're useless. T-Mac's PER 25.6, next best player Monty Williams 17.3.

The guy was straight up outplayed in the clutch by Baron Davis in that series, a player that was clearly inferior to McGrady at the time and was inferior to McGrady for most of his career. If McGrady did perform well in the clutch then they actually would have gotten past the 1st round but he didn't so he didn't get past the 1st round. It is one thing to not perform well in the clutch and it is another to get outperformed by another player on the opposing team.

You want to know why LeBron gets ripped into pieces about his 2011 NBA Finals performance? Because he was outplayed by every single player out there in the 4th quarter/clutch. Now I'm not suppose to penalize Mcgrady for the same thing? You have to be ****ing kidding me.

If you look selectively at specific statistics he looks bad too. If you look at what he did rather than "clutchness" measured by team results then McGrady was a remarkable player.

The only thing remarkable about Mcgrady is how he managed to lose in every situation possible.

Lose with a good team
Lose with an average team
Lose with a bad team.
Lose with HCA
Lose without HCA
Lose by getting outperformed by another player on the other team in the clutch
Lose by blowing series leads.

How long do you want me to continue? I don't where I would rank McGrady of all-time but it is far far far far away from the top 50 and he has nothing on Paul Pierce.

[ChrisKreager]

His teams didn't always get good draws that were beatable:

2001- Orlando was basically lacking depth other than Mike Miller. Good luck trying to beat Milwaukee at the peak of the Allen-Robinson-Cassell trio.

2002- Again, lack of talent save for Miller. Charlotte was a tough team with Baron Davis, Mashburn, Eddie Jones.

2003- Other than T-Mac, who DID Orlando have that you could rely on? It's a miracle they even one three games in that series.

2005- This was virtually the same Dallas team that made the NBA Finals next year.

2007, 2008- Not a lot after him and Yao; hard to stop the Boozer-Deron-Okur squads.

Look at the rosters he was on and carrying; not exactly the 2008 Celtics.

[HurricaneKid]

Anytime a TS% is below 50% you know its terrible. It is bad enough to have a TS% below 55% but below 50%? You have to be truly awful and an inefficient chucker to do that and that was what XXXXXXX was in that series.

Derrick Rose shot <50% TS% in last year's playoffs. The year before that? You guessed it, <50%.

Is Derrick Rose a "truly awful and inefficient chucker" ?

[bdreason]

You can call him a choker... but he certainly isn't a loser.

[Dave3]

Tracy McGrady shot a TS% or 48.3% which is pathetic. Anytime a TS% is below 50% you know its terrible. It is bad enough to have a TS% below 55% but below 50%? You have to be truly awful and an inefficient chucker to do that and that was what T-mac was in that series.

Thought this point was interesting. You consider below 55% TS% bad...yet call a player with a 53 TS% the best scorer. Sounds smart.