California Raises Legal Age to Buy Tobacco From 18 to 21

[UK2K]

You are still considered old enough to make the conscious decision to die for your country, but you cannot smoke a cigarette.

California Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday approved raising the legal age to buy tobacco for smoking, dipping, chewing and vaping from 18 to 21.

The new law, which will take effect June 9, makes California the second state to raise the legal smoking age to 21. It will not apply to military personnel.

Brown did not say why he signed the measure along with four others restricting tobacco use in various ways, and his staff declined to comment.

"The action speaks for itself," Brown spokeswoman Deborah Hoffman said.

Supporters of the law said it aims to deter adolescents from the harmful, sometimes fatal effects of nicotine addiction. The Institute of Medicine reports that 90 percent of daily smokers began using tobacco before turning 19.

[JohnnySic]

Its like that in Boston too. Its silly.

[~primetime~]

Good

Won't stop kids from smoking obviously, I smoked for 15 years, started at age 15. BUT, maybe it will discourage -some- of them. It certainly makes things more difficult when you can't legally purchase yourself, especially something that needs to be purchased regularly... Every other day, or even every single day.

No one should want teens smoking... No one should want anyone smoking really. Even if you're a smoker.

[NumberSix]

What's the legal age for being gay?

[UK2K]

Good

Won't stop kids from smoking obviously, I smoked for 15 years, started at age 15. BUT, maybe it will discourage -some- of them. It certainly makes things more difficult when you can't legally purchase yourself, especially something that needs to be purchased regularly... Every other day, or even every single day.

No one should want teens smoking... No one should want anyone smoking really. Even if you're a smoker.

I don't want teens getting pregnant either but I'm not going to tell them they can't ****.

I don't want teens dying in car crashes but I won't keep their them from getting a license.

IMO, it's not a matter of what we want them to do, its a matter of big brother coming in and telling them 'we know what's best for you'. No different than the soda ban in NY.

[bigkingsfan]

What's next, porn age to 21? Please not that.

[~primetime~]

I don't want teens getting pregnant either but I'm not going to tell them they can't ****.

I don't want teens dying in car crashes but I won't keep their them from getting a license.

IMO, it's not a matter of what we want them to do, its a matter of big brother coming in and telling them 'we know what's best for you'. No different than the soda ban in NY.

I would love it if we could keep teens from fcking and driving.

IMO it's a matter of what makes society as a whole better

[UK2K]

I would love it if we could keep teens from fcking and driving.

IMO it's a matter of what makes society as a whole better

Really?

So ban driving until the age of 21? That will make the roads much safer.

It would also grind our country to a halt, because almost none of those kids would be able to get to work, or school, or anything, without a car. Parents would need 30 vacation days a year.

It would make society better if we summarily executed everyone who's committed a felony, but I don't think that's a good idea. It'd make society better if we took everyone on welfare and put them on a boat and shipped them to China.

I prefer free choice. Want to smoke? Go for it. Want to commit suicide? Go ahead. Want to own a gun? Fine. Want to slurp down 64 ounces of mountain dew you fat piece of shit? More power to ya. As long as what you are choosing to do doesn't affect others, by all means.

[BasedTom]

Really?

So ban driving until the age of 21? That will make the roads much safer.

It would also grind our country to a halt, because almost none of those kids would be able to get to work, or school, or anything, without a car. Parents would need 30 vacation days a year.

It would make society better if we summarily executed everyone who's committed a felony, but I don't think that's a good idea. It'd make society better if we took everyone on welfare and put them on a boat and shipped them to China.

I prefer free choice. Want to smoke? Go for it. Want to commit suicide? Go ahead. Want to own a gun? Fine. Want to slurp down 64 ounces of mountain dew you fat piece of shit? More power to ya. As long as what you are choosing to do doesn't affect others, by all means.

Well with a universal healtcare, promoting a healthy lifestyle is A and O

[JohnnySic]

Dont think it makes much difference. Back in high school, the kids (age 14-18) who wanted to smoke had no problem getting cigarettes. You think an 18-21 year old cant?

[~primetime~]

Really?

So ban driving until the age of 21? That will make the roads much safer.

It would also grind our country to a halt, because almost none of those kids would be able to get to work, or school, or anything, without a car. Parents would need 30 vacation days a year.

It would make society better if we summarily executed everyone who's committed a felony, but I don't think that's a good idea. It'd make society better if we took everyone on welfare and put them on a boat and shipped them to China.

I prefer free choice. Want to smoke? Go for it. Want to commit suicide? Go ahead. Want to own a gun? Fine. Want to slurp down 64 ounces of mountain dew you fat piece of shit? More power to ya. As long as what you are choosing to do doesn't affect others, by all means.

we probably disagree on what makes society better...but driving and executions are a poor comparison to smoking which benefits absolutely no one, not even on a medicinal level...and it absolutely effects others.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smo...ww.google.com/

[~primetime~]

^^^this trend is good...for EVERYONE





China

what a disgusting shit hole

[UK2K]

we probably disagree on what makes society better...but driving and executions are a poor comparison to smoking which benefits absolutely no one, not even on a medicinal level...and it absolutely effects others.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smo...ww.google.com/

So it's not about what makes society better then?

Smoking benefits a lot of people. The healthcare industry, the tobacco industry, the tobacco farmers. Lots of people make a living off of it.

Would you ban alcohol as well?

[~primetime~]

So it's not about what makes society better then?

Smoking benefits a lot of people. The healthcare industry, the tobacco industry, the tobacco farmers. Lots of people make a living off of it.

Would you ban alcohol as well?

You're arguing that society is better WITH cigarette smoking? You think the health care industry is better off with tobacco smoke? You don't think they would be better off if they could focus resources on something else?

Do you think that disease/cancer in general is a good thing for society because the healthcare industry profits and there are jobs based around it?

[UK2K]

You're arguing that society is better WITH cigarette smoking? You think the health care industry is better off with tobacco smoke? You don't think they would be better off if they could focus resources on something else?

Do you think that disease/cancer in general is a good thing for society because the healthcare industry profits and there are jobs based around it?

No, not at all. I'm arguing that smoking does benefit society. You said nobody benefits from it, I'm simply saying 'yes they do'.

I'm just trying to figure out where your cut off point is. There's a lot of things that can be done to improve society (slaughtering inmates on death row), but we don't do it.

That's why I asked your opinion on alcohol.