LeBron's Career So Far

[ripthekik]

The stats are all out there, I'll leave it to you guys.

But legacy?
He'll be known for taking a short-cut, admitting to not being able to man a team, asking the next best player to team up instead of beating him, going around obstacles instead of over, and only winning because he joined one of the top players in this league and had another PF who carried his own franchise for 7+ years.

He is a all-time top 10 talented player, but on those greatest player lists? He should be 20+. He still hasn't proven he can win like the true champion on that list.

[Simple Jack]

The stats are all out there, I'll leave it to you guys.

But legacy?
He'll be known for taking a short-cut, admitting to not being able to man a team, asking the next best player to team up instead of beating him, going around obstacles instead of over, and only winning because he joined one of the top players in this league and had another PF who carried his own franchise for 7+ years.

He is a all-time top 10 talented player, but on those greatest player lists? He should be 20+. He still hasn't proven he can win like the true champion on that list.

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.

[CelticBaller]

LeBron did something Jordan and Kobe never could. He won a championship without Phil Jackson.

big deal

[ripthekik]

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.

No, to be honest I'm not that familiar with his career.
But you've just proved my point. YOU remember him, and YOU remember him joining up with other superstars and winning a ring.

That's how we'll remember Lebron as well. Very talented, but had to join up.

[LBJFTW]

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.

Yes, he will. Are you aware that the only reason why people didn't give a **** about what Moses did was because after joining Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones, he had to beat Kareem, Majic, Worthy and Jamaal Wilkes. That's a much bigger feat than joining the 2nd best player in the game (Wade) and all-star (Bosh) and beating a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harding.

If anything, no one will remember 10 years from now that Wade and Bosh played poorly. They will just know that they were top level players when James joined them and that he did so because he knew he couldn't get it done in NY.

[ihoopallday]

Yes, he will. Are you aware that the only reason why people didn't give a **** about what Moses did was because after joining Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones, he had to beat Kareem, Majic, Worthy and Jamaal Wilkes. That's a much bigger feat than joining the 2nd best player in the game (Wade) and all-star (Bosh) and beating a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harding.

If anything, no one will remember 10 years from now that Wade and Bosh played poorly. They will just know that they were top level players when James joined them and that he did so because he knew he couldn't get it done in NY.

Do you feel the same way about Magic and Bird playing with multiple hall of famers during their championship runs?

[The Iron Fist]

The way he played in the 2011 Finals is anything but positive. You know what I meant, stop splitting hairs to try and make some vague irrelevant "point".

Positive or not, its a part of his career that cant be ignored.

[LBJFTW]

Do you feel the same way about Magic and Bird playing with multiple hall of famers during their championship runs?

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

[pauk]

[asdf1990]

LeGawd

[jlip]

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

That's not a major accomplishment. Let's just use Magic for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA.

Celebrating Magic for staying with the team that drafted him is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Can you post his finals stats?

[ihoopallday]

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

It's easy to stay on the same team when your front office puts talent around you. Seriously who did Cleveland get for Jame. A beat down Shaq and Jamison.

[SpecialQue]

"Perfect in the finals" is the fvcking lamest shit people use to bolster someone like MJ or Duncan's superiority. A lot of people truly, legitimately, in their hearts believe that failing to reach the finals but having a perfect record when they get their is vastly superior to multiple trips to the finals but not winning all of them. I heard one retard say that Magic getting to the finals NINE FVCKING TIMES isn't that impressive because he "only" won five of those.

[AK47DR91]

Can you post his finals stats?

15 games: 22.5 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 6.7 APG and 4.4 Turnovers per game.
126 FGM out of 288 FGA = .4375 or 44% from the floor

Lowest minute in a game was 38. 14 of the 15 games, he played 40-46 minutes.

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts

Those are my calculations. Somebody double check it if they want.