Hey guys, who here remembers Josh Howard?

[FourthTenor]

I'm a huge JHo fan but he was NEVER the Mavs best player. Sorry. Not a chance.

There was a time when Dirk had the reputation for having trouble with shorter and stronger defenders and Howard was seen as the more explosive player.


People are actin like the way Dirk has played this year is exactly how he's always played. No way. He's always been really good, this year he's been GREAT.

[RaceBannana]

A very incorrect statement.

People STILL cared about Dirk. He was STILL a top 10 talent in the NBA.

He STILL carried the Mavericks to more 50+ win seasons.

The only people who EVER wanted to build around Howard, and not Dirk, were uneducated/bandwagon fans who rarely paid attention to the games.

Josh was never going to be the type of guy who leads a team to the playoffs. He definitely could have been a great #2 though.

Too bad he enjoyed things off the court (smoking weed, partying) more than he enjoyed the things on the court. He was a dynamic player when healthy.

maybe, i exaggerated with the "nobody cared" part, but after the GSW series, plus the Celts adding Garnett and Allen, plus the Lakers getting gasol and the resurgence of CP3, he fell completely fell out of the picture.

tell me with a straight face, you expected Dirk back to the finals. Some Mavs fan were ready to move on and rebuild around the younger player.

[kentatm]

He smoked during the offseason and still was productive during the regular season in Dallas. So what is your point? Yeah he enjoys smoking, but he still was productive while doing it.

How can you question someones love for the game of basketball due to smoking weed? Its no different than athletes who drink or smoke cigarettes. Its not like these guys are cokeheads like the ones in the 70's and 80's.

Josh Howard messed up his ankle in Dallas which hurt his ability to get to the basket. The addition of Marion was to have Howard starting at SG, but it never worked. It in essence slowed him down and made him a liability on defense as well as a guy who couldnt get the baskets he previously did on offense. Thats because he never was a great shooter.

He tore his ACL in Washington last year and he missed most of this season due to that same injury because his recovery took longer than expected and his knee bothered him when he did play.

Dont be surprised when he comes back healthy in 2011-2012 off the bench for a contender and we have a thread of "How did the ________ get Josh Howard for the Vets minimum"?

There was a time when Dirk had the reputation for having trouble with shorter and stronger defenders and Howard was seen as the more explosive player.


People are actin like the way Dirk has played this year is exactly how he's always played. No way. He's always been really good, this year he's been GREAT.

Sorry, it does not matter that Dirk sometimes had issues with smaller defenders. JHo was NEVER a better player than Dirk and was NEVER seen that way by anybody with a brain. I was a very big JHo fan when he was in Dallas and he was just never at Dirk's level. There was absolutely no argument for it. Ever. Just stop.

[ThaSwagg3r]

I'm a huge JHo fan but he was NEVER the Mavs best player. Sorry. Not a chance.

He was the best player in the 2007 playoffs against the Warriors. But he has never been superior outside of that.

[SCdac]

I remember he doesn't celebrate the national anthem

[kentatm]

He was the best player in the 2007 playoffs against the Warriors. But he has never been superior outside of that.

he had the best series that year yes. but he still was not the best player on the team.

he just happened to play well when pretty much every single player on the team played like ass.

part of his strong play that series was by GS's design anyway.

GS loaded up on Dirk and bet that the other Mavs could not beat them. They were right.

[FourthTenor]

JHo was NEVER a better player than Dirk and was NEVER seen that way by anybody with a brain.

You're not qualified to speak on this.

[creepingdeath]

You're not qualified to speak on this.

But you are, right? How is that sweep coming along you were predicting against us?

[miles berg]

There was a time when Dirk had the reputation for having trouble with shorter and stronger defenders and Howard was seen as the more explosive player.


People are actin like the way Dirk has played this year is exactly how he's always played. No way. He's always been really good, this year he's been GREAT.

Dirk has been great for 11 years.

It's just that he now has legit big men on his team so it makes him seem even better.

The guy leads his team to 50+ wins every year despite 3 different coaches and constant player turnover.

Top 25 player all time and has been for years.

[Assassin]

Good player. Just ****ing dumb. You just can't have both Jason Terry and Josh in the same team.

[DMAVS41]

When will people realize that these guys like Terry and Howard were able to flourish because of their roles playing next to Dirk.

You put Howard on a bad team without a superstar to ride? You get average production at best.

What happened when he left dallas again? Oh thats right.....faking injuries and playing like a bum when he does happen to find the court.

People really comparing him to Dirk? Holy shit.

[chazzy]

What happened when he left dallas again? Oh thats right.....faking injuries and playing like a bum when he does happen to find the court.

Didn't he tear his acl?

[Patrick Chewing]

He'd be great in this series. But he was all about smoking pot and hating on his country, so he's a distant memory now.

[FourthTenor]

But you are, right? How is that sweep coming along you were predicting against us?

lolwut?

predicted against who? i didnt predict for anyone to sweep anyone at any point in these playoffs.

you got the wrong poster, g

[HB40TheNextStar]

I remember when Farmar had that one great game. Everyone wanted Kobe traded after that.