Greatest of All-Time PRE-Jordan?

[LakersLaLaLand]

Lets get a serious topic on the board. Maybe ISH can save some face with real conversation not mentioning either of the 2 current HYPE BEASTS.

Pre-Jordan, He was the GOAT?

Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Dr J
Magic
Hakeem
Oscar Robertson
Russell
Duncan
Bird
Moses
West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Cousy
Mikan
George Gervin
Pistol Pete
Rick

Please add any names I may have forgotten. Or you feel deserves to be in the conversation.

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[RoseCity07]

Back when Wilt played people say it was a weak era. That is what I think is pathetic. Now days you have 30 teams so the talent level is watered down. Can you imagine 12 teams being in the NBA today. You'd have teams with Duncan, Kobe, and Artest. Dwight and Wade and Bosh. Ray Allen would be coming off the bench.

Now imagine back in the 50's. That means that Wilt was going up against the best of the best night in and night out. What we know is that he averaged 50 points a game in a season. Do you realize how unbelievable that is against the best of the best in your day?

There aren't players today grabbing 30 rebounds a game or scoring 50 PPG. Wilt was the best before Jordan. Then Kareem.

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'Nique

[iamgine]

Pre and post Jordan GOAT: Bill Russell

11 Championships
Defensive beast
Coach on and off the court
Sacrifice for the team

[Brunch@Five]

Kareem was and still is the GOAT in my book. Even moreso when you include college and high school

[InspiredLebowski]

[stephanieg]

Kareem or Wilt. Either of them may actually be better than Jordan anyway. Does Jordan shut down the paint? No. Does he grab huge amounts of boards? No. I'd probably take Kareem over Wilt just for the FT% actually. It's too bad he wasted a large amount of his prime on non-contending teams tho.

[Manute for Ever!]

Back when Wilt played people say it was a weak era. That is what I think is pathetic. Now days you have 30 teams so the talent level is watered down. Can you imagine 12 teams being in the NBA today. You'd have teams with Duncan, Kobe, and Artest. Dwight and Wade and Bosh. Ray Allen would be coming off the bench.

Now imagine back in the 50's. That means that Wilt was going up against the best of the best night in and night out. What we know is that he averaged 50 points a game in a season. Do you realize how unbelievable that is against the best of the best in your day?

There aren't players today grabbing 30 rebounds a game or scoring 50 PPG. Wilt was the best before Jordan. Then Kareem.

Let's not forget that there were no private jets, extreme racism/segregation in some areas, playing in Chuck Taylors, lack of personal trainers and nutritionalists etc, staying just regular hotel rooms.....

I hate that "weak era" argument, too

[Lebron23]

[Kebab Stall]

Back when Wilt played people say it was a weak era. That is what I think is pathetic. Now days you have 30 teams so the talent level is watered down. Can you imagine 12 teams being in the NBA today. You'd have teams with Duncan, Kobe, and Artest. Dwight and Wade and Bosh. Ray Allen would be coming off the bench.

Now imagine back in the 50's. That means that Wilt was going up against the best of the best night in and night out. What we know is that he averaged 50 points a game in a season. Do you realize how unbelievable that is against the best of the best in your day?

There aren't players today grabbing 30 rebounds a game or scoring 50 PPG. Wilt was the best before Jordan. Then Kareem.

That's because you're assuming that the talent level in the 50's was equal to the talent level today, which is very flawed logic.

Now, I'm not saying it was a weak era. But let's look at this with at least a tiny bit of knowledge, logic and brains.

Wilt was a monster, no doubt about that. He was way before his time and dominated his era. We cannot assume that the talent back then was way worse, way better or equal to the talent of today. Just because of his domination.

Your logic is flawed, because you assume that the talent level was equal back then, as it is today.

Back then, all the players were subjected to the same health benefits, including weight training, fitness training, diets. Which, back then, were not that great. Just like how all the players today have access to some of the best training facilities and nutrionists the world has to offer.

If we insert any player from any era into another era, he would also be subjected to those same conditions. So we cannot assume that Wilt would dominate today, based on his production in his era, because if he played today, he would also have access to all the same facilities that are available today, that were not available back then.


As far as I am concerned, you're a retard if you think that Wilt would either completely dominate today's game or he would be a complete dud. It doesn't matter which side you fall on, because if you think either of those things, the chances are, you're full of sh!t.

[YAWN]

why do you have duncan in a pre-jordan argument?

[Shep]

pre jordan? chamberlain. post jordan? chamberlain

[plowking]

pre jordan? chamberlain. post jordan? chamberlain

Chamberlain isn't even a top 5 player of all time.

Bird is the correct answer.

[Shep]

Chamberlain isn't even a top 5 player of all time.

Bird is the correct answer.

bird isn't even top 9 all time. jordan isn't top 2

[plowking]

bird isn't even top 9 all time. jordan isn't top 2

That's fine, though I'm glad you agree now that both are better then Wilt.