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    Default Re: "Defenses When MJ Played Were So Physical And Tough"

    Quote Originally Posted by andgar923
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-cL18POLwo

    These are skills that nobody comes close to in today's era. Tmac and Kobe were the closest, and yet even they weren't as smart, as quick and as good.

    It doesn't matter if he was hand checked, if he was doubled or tripled, if the lanes were clogged, if they sagged or played him close, if they fouled him etc.

    Those skills translate into any era.

    MJ shouldn't be penalized because he was so good he made it look easy.
    Yo Andgar

    Check this mix out:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tteoWq6wZU4

    One of the sickest MJ compilations I've seen in a while. The second part of the vid spotlights his footwork/skills but with quicker AND more cerebral plays than the one you linked.

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    Default Re: "Defenses When MJ Played Were So Physical And Tough"

    Class is in session before I need to make lunch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2X5QlJCHk&t=47s

    Off the ball movement.

    Many... errr... most players today can't move without the ball. It may look easy for most but it's an art and a skill that takes time to learn. You need a high IQ, footwork, skill and timing. Sadly it's a lost art today where the majority don't know how to use it.

    Let's start.

    1. Set plays. The most commonly used 'off the ball' play is a set play. This is when the play calls for players to run behind a series of screens to a specific spot in order to get an open look. A player needs to understand floor positioning, spacing, and read the defense. The player needs to have good timing and have the ability to shield off the defender using the screener.

    2. Shaking the defender. While they normally use a screen to avoid a defender at times they need to get free from the defender. Defenders in the past were allowed to grab players more freely, defenders were able to hit and bump offensive players without less fouls being called on them which made it harder for the offensive player. The offensive player needed to be fast at shaking the defender and make quick cuts which required the following point...

    3. Footwork. Offensive players often need wide receiver like footwork to shake and avoid the defense trying to stop them. They need to be able to move and elude the defender using quick feet, balance and agility.

    4. High IQ. A player needs to be able to read the defense and react.

    5. Skills. Once the offensive player catches the ball they need to have the skill set to catch and shoot the jumper. At times the defense will react and they will need to know how to use pump fakes, jab steps, spin moves, etc because not all shots coming off the screen will be wide open. Even when wide open, players need to know how to plant their steps and effectively catch and shoot by squaring up properly and maintaining balance, something not every player is good at.

    Aside from moving off the ball in set plays, players need to move without the ball when plays are broken. At times the defense adjusts and the offensive play is disrupted, this makes it harder for the offensive team. A great off the ball player will find a way to read the defense and take advantage of the gaps, only elite scorers in history were able to do this with consistency. A player needs to have a high IQ, read and react fast in order to recognize these gaps. Once those gaps are found they need a high degree of skill level to finish.

    MJ was one of the best all time at moving without the ball, if not THE best. People will look at MJ's open or semi contested jumpers and say "that's weak defense" because they don't understand the game. MJ was a nightmare to guard because he was constantly in motion and could attack from any and every angle at any given time. He had an extremely high IQ and had the skill and athleticism to take advantage of the defense.

    So next time people claim MJ was getting easy buckets, the vast majority of them were MJ simply being better than the defense and using his off the ball skills to make the game easy for him instead of shooting simply shooting 3pt shots.

    Perhaps Lebron should save the following video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9_Mkq_QCX8

    And another master explains:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv3EyzBuRb4

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    Default Re: "Defenses When MJ Played Were So Physical And Tough"

    Quote Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
    Yo Andgar

    Check this mix out:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tteoWq6wZU4

    One of the sickest MJ compilations I've seen in a while. The second part of the vid spotlights his footwork/skills but with quicker AND more cerebral plays than the one you linked.
    How'd I miss this on my subscriptions?

    Thanks

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    MJ was simply too quick. Sure the OP's clips showed MJ getting some easy buckets aint nobody gonna refute that. But does the OP know 'why' most of them were so easy?

    He was fast as f*ck.

    If Wade was nicknamed 'Flash' what will MJ be? MJ was quicker and more explosive than Wade was and MJ didn't have the advantage to roam as freely as Wade.

    MJ wasn't simply quick, he made 'decisions' quick which caught the defense off guard. So sure, some of those clips may appear to be defenders not defending but that's because MJ was so quick they didn't have time to set up and defend.

    Here's a video showing how fast he was:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG4gU_RiJ2c&t=258s

    Jab step and BAM he's at the rim before the defenders can react.
    He spins so fast defenders are caught standing still like cartoons and the big men don't have time to gather to jump. Moves too fast for the doubles to set up. Pump fakes so quick MJ is already 1-2 steps ahead before the defender can react.

    Time and time again we see the defense trying to gather themselves to defend but they're too late as MJ is already at the rim.

    The defensive team is trying to trap and double, but he's too fast. Example1:
    https://youtu.be/D_Z22PZhF10?t=43

    Example 2:
    https://youtu.be/D_Z22PZhF10?t=22
    Defender is on its way to double and trap, yet MJ simply blows by the in coming trap. He's too fast and doesn't give the defense enough time and he simply jumps before the big can set up properly to contest.

    Very next play, lightning fast jab step. The defender is closing in, yet MJ recognizes the lane and gives a lightning fast jab step that the defense can't react quickly enough. But the OP will be screaming "weak defense!!!" at the top of his lungs and not understand why MJ got so open.

    https://youtu.be/D_Z22PZhF10?t=122
    MJ catches the ball and makes a lighting quick spin move before the double team can trap him for a dunk. The defense didn't have time to adjust because he was too fast for them. Yet f*ck him for being smarter and faster than them.

    The examples are endless.

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    Default Re: "Defenses When MJ Played Were So Physical And Tough"

    Sorry for the typo FKAri, my mind went blank as I'm used to typing FG for field goal %.

    Won't happen again, keep up the discussion!

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    Default Re: "Defenses When MJ Played Were So Physical And Tough"

    andgar923 destroyed the kid

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