Charles Barkley just went OFF on the analytics community

[HOoopCityJones]

Look of course analytics has it's place within the game, especially within the last 8 years or so, it's really taken off. They even landed Hollinger's ass a job he shouldn't even be qualified for traditionally, strictly speaking in terms of experience as an executive of Basketball operations. But even he has to admit to his faults as the numbers don't always lead to results, he thought trading Rudy Gay for Prince was the right move at the time, they get a Team guy who is a hard nose defender and he can knock down some shots, but if anything the move set them back, imo he corrected this mistake with the trade for Jeff Green.

But what needs to be hammered home more than anything is that they aren't the end all be all and the game was just fine without them before, if not better off. People act like there haven't been some legendary ass teams constructed thoughout history just based off of eye test alone, call it what you want, but it's true what Chuck said and I'm glad he put it the way he did.

This league is based on talent, not numbers. All of the stats in the world wouldn't do shit for Lebron if he didn't have that God given talent to go along with it.

[Hotlantadude81]

"no good teams gives up 118 points"

yet his suns team that gave up 118 points 11 times in the RS went to the finals

lolwut? oh and citing spurs as not using analytics...bad form. they're one of the teams that are most into it. again, his thoughts are archaic. he's like an old congressman talking about the internet in 2000.

He is like a Rush Limbaugh if Rush Limbaugh was entertaining.

[HOoopCityJones]

"no good teams gives up 118 points"

yet his suns team that gave up 118 points 11 times in the RS went to the finals

lolwut? oh and citing spurs as not using analytics...bad form. they're one of the teams that are most into it. again, his thoughts are archaic. he's like an old congressman talking about the internet in 2000.

But they lost though.

Chuck is speaking from the standpoint of a career loser. He's overqualified if anything.

[Hotlantadude81]

Look of course analytics has it's place within the game, especially within the last 8 years or so, it's really taken off. They even landed Hollinger's ass a job he shouldn't even be qualified for traditionally, strictly speaking from experience as an executive of Basketball operations. But even he has to dmit to his faults as the numbers don't always lead to results, he thought trading Rudy Gay for Prince was the right move at the time, they get a Team guy who is a hard nose defender and he can knock down some shots, but if anything the move set them back, imo he corrected this mistake with the trade for Jeff Green.

But what needs to be hammered home more than anything that they aren't the end all be all and the game was just fine without them before, if not better off. People act like there haven't been some legendary ass teams constructed thoughout history just based of eye test alone, call it what you want, but it's true what Chuck said and I'm glad he put it the way he did.

This league is based on talent, not numbers. All of the stats in the world wouldn't do shit for Lebron if he didn't have that God given talent to go along with it.

Holllinger's stats suggests that the Clippers are the 3rd best team in the league. That is bullshit.

[el_locoteee]

As usual, I whole heartedly agree with Chuck.

Analytics is bullshit made up by math nerds. That sh1t has no bearing on basketball.

PER, +/-, all that sh1t is just numbers that don't really matter when it comes down to beating your opposition.

It is literally something that smart people made up to try and feel important in sports

Chuck

What will young afro-americans look to, Neil deGrasse Tyson or Charles Barkley?

Charles Barkley the Sarah Palin of Basketball commentators.

Charles once said that the afro-americans community need more doctor, lawyer, scientists instead of more athletes or musicians but who cares are the end they all smart people trying to feel important, while dumb is cool.

[navy]

Look of course analytics has it's place within the game, especially within the last 8 years or so, it's really taken off. They even landed Hollinger's ass a job he shouldn't even be qualified for traditionally, strictly speaking in terms of experience as an executive of Basketball operations. But even he has to dmit to his faults as the numbers don't always lead to results, he thought trading Rudy Gay for Prince was the right move at the time, they get a Team guy who is a hard nose defender and he can knock down some shots, but if anything the move set them back, imo he corrected this mistake with the trade for Jeff Green.

.

This is just wrong. They didnt care about Prince, the goal was to get Rudy Gay away and it worked to perfection. The team was better for it.

[HOoopCityJones]

Holllinger's stats suggests that the Clippers are the 3rd best team in the league. That is bullshit.

Clippers look good vs the middle tier Teams and lower, I haven't seen them play dominate ball against the real competition throughout the league. They struggle with a first year squad like The Cavs and they should hold an advantage because of chemistry alone, yet they stay looking stagnant.

[KNOW1EDGE]

What will young afro-americans look to, Neil deGrasse Tyson or Charles Barkley?

Charles Barkley the Sarah Palin of Basketball commentators.

Charles once said that the afro-americans community need more doctor, lawyer, science guys instead of more athletes or musicians but who cares are the end they all smart people trying to feel important, while dumb is cool.

Do you think Chuck wants to be a role model?

Ever see his old commercials? Clue: He stated he is not a rile model.

Chuck also stated blacks need less ball players and rappers, and more docs, scientists etc etc

[HOoopCityJones]

This is just wrong. They didnt care about Prince, the goal was to get Rudy Gay away and it worked to perfection. The team was better for it.

Bullshit. They thought it'd make them better and it hasn't. Paint it how you want but before the Gay trade, they were knocking the likes of San Antonio outta the Playoffs. All taking away Gay did was make Gasol more reliable , so I see the positives, but don't act like they didn't expect to get better by getting rid of Gay and adding Prince.

Why else just all of a sudden go after another pure scorer then?

[navy]

Holllinger's stats suggests that the Clippers are the 3rd best team in the league. That is bullshit.

His model takes mainly into account scoring margin, which is usually the best predictor of success.

The clippers have the second best starters in the league, so its not surprising. And no, I dont think they are the third best team in the league.

[RoseCity07]

LOL at PER being analytics.

And he completely humiliated himself. Ended his tirade by talking about how Memphis wasn't analytics. Which was stupid on a grammatical level and far worse in a literal level. Memphis has done more with analytics than any other team with the possible exceptionof Houston.

Except the roster is nearly identical to the roster they had before Hollinger got there. I know because I checked a few days ago.

[CavaliersFTW]

I remember reading some ridiculously lengthy analytics "report" equipped with color charts and everything that said if Curry took something like 20-25 3's a game his team would be virtually unbeatable but that the coaches/league probably would never "let" him try it because it's such a revolutionary concept

Some hipster from grantland probably wrote that shit in a starbucks and really believed he was on to something as if NBA talent hasn't already figured out how to best be effective

[el_locoteee]

He is like a Rush Limbaugh if Rush Limbaugh was entertaining.

no good teams gives up 118 points \

Golden State
115 vs Lakers twice
127 vs OKC
113 vs Houston
114 vs Mavs
126 Vs Atl

Atlanta
122/110Regulation vs Hornets
126 vs Toronto
115 vs NOLA
116 Vs GS

[navy]

Bullshit. They thought it'd make them better and it hasn't. Paint it how you want but before the Gay trade, they were knocking the likes of San Antonio outta the Playoffs. All taking away Gay did was make Gasol more reliable , so I see the positives, but don't act like they didn't expect to get better by getting rid of Gay and adding Prince.

Why else just all of a sudden go after another pure scorer then?

It clearly made them better, what are you talking about? Rudy Gay was a black hole making 16 million a year. Every indication from statistics to record showed that they were better off with a literal scrub in Prince than Gay.

Jeff Green isnt an overpaid black hole like Rudy was. And Rudy Gay was a good defender in Memphis. I wouldnt call him a pure scorer.

[Hotlantadude81]

His model takes mainly into account scoring margin, which is usually the best predictor of success.

The clippers have the second best starters in the league, so its not surprising. And no, I dont think they are the third best team in the league.

They have the team (other than their weak bench) on paper, but they're missing something.... Chemistry and heart.