Since the 60's, NFL,MLB athletes are bigger, but NBA players are not?

[Dr.J4ever]

Below is a link on the average yearly height and weight of NBA players since the 1940's.. The most interesting stat that is a hot topic of debate here is the 60s and 70s vs. the more modern eras. Incredibly, at least for me, is that the height differential between the average 60s NBA players vs today's average player is about an inch and about 10lbs in favor of today's players. That's it.That's all.

Have we been sold a lot of hype on the supposed superior heights and weights of today's players? You know, that today's players are "bigger and better"?
With the Superbowl coming up, we all know NFL players are bigger, faster, taller. Just compare the offensive line of the Denver Broncos to the 1960s Green Bay Packers. Or even MLB players to players during the Babe Ruth era.
But in the NBA, there really has been virtually no change with player's heights and weights since the 60s.

[Dr.J4ever]

Below is a link on the average yearly height and weight of NBA players since the 1940's.. The most interesting stat that is a hot topic of debate here is the 60s and 70s vs. the more modern eras. Incredibly, at least for me, is that the height differential between the average 60s NBA players vs today's average player is about an inch and about 10lbs in favor of today's players. That's it.
That's all.

Have we been sold a lot of hype on the supposed superior heights and weights of today's players? You know, that today's players are "bigger and better"?
With the Superbowl coming up, we all know NFL players are bigger, faster, taller. Just compare the offensive line of the Denver Broncos to the 1960s Green Bay Packers. Or even MLB players to players during the Babe Ruth era.
But in the NBA, there really has been virtually no change with player's heights and weights since the 60s.

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[SexSymbol]

Average center in the 60 was 6'8", of course people nowadays are higher in the L

[Real Men Wear Green]

The real difference isn't size so much as it is weight training. The modern athlete in just about every major team sport does it, but back then it was viewed with skepticism if not derision by many.

Average center in the 60 was 6'8", of course people nowadays are higher in the L

He just posted a link pointing out the difference in average height. Facts do matter, and to establish something as fact we need evidence. Where is yours? If you have some then what you have to say is worth hearing. If you do not then it isn't.

[Dr.J4ever]

The real difference isn't size so much as it is weight training. The modern athlete in just about every major team sport does it, but back then it was viewed with skepticism if not derision by many.
He just posted a link pointing out the difference in average height. Facts do matter, and to establish something as fact we need evidence. Where is yours? If you have some then what you have to say is worth hearing. If you do not then it isn't.

I'm not a regular weight lifter so this may sound ignorant, but is 10lbs enough to account for the additional weight training they do today?

[Psileas]

Below is a link on the average yearly height and weight of NBA players since the 1940's.. The most interesting stat that is a hot topic of debate here is the 60s and 70s vs. the more modern eras. Incredibly, at least for me, is that the height differential between the average 60s NBA players vs today's average player is about an inch and about 10lbs in favor of today's players. That's it.
That's all.

Have we been sold a lot of hype on the supposed superior heights and weights of today's players? You know, that today's players are "bigger and better"?
With the Superbowl coming up, we all know NFL players are bigger, faster, taller. Just compare the offensive line of the Denver Broncos to the 1960s Green Bay Packers. Or even MLB players to players during the Babe Ruth era.
But in the NBA, there really has been virtually no change with player's heights and weights since the 60s.

Actually, this 10 lb differential is the same that "today's" athletes hold over the ones of the early 90's, for which we hear absolutely nothing about "smaller sizes". Players in the early 90's weighed as much as they did in the late 60's.
Hype means nothing if it derives from sources of questionable validity or no sources at all. And this is where most of the hype of the 60's comes from. What valid source would ever claim that centers in the 60's were 6'7?
90% of the 60's "hype" is word of mouth between youngsters.

Btw, do people use the stupid "time travel" argument when it comes to comparing NFL, MLB, etc players, too?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not a regular weight lifter so this may sound ignorant, but is 10lbs enough to account for the additional weight training they do today?

That and the height increase could definitely account for more weight. These days a guy like Dwight Howard will be skinny at 18, a team will make him lift and eat a certain way and he thickens out. It's possible to lift and keep the same weight or even lose weight but that's generally not the goal when a guy comes in skinny.

[Rose'sACL]

20-30% of the league was black in 60s as compared to today's league which has about 80% black players.
You must be kidding me if you think that today's league is not better.

The paper notes the number of blacks rose in the 1960s, even though many believed there was an unspoken quota system among league owners that former Celtics great Bill Russell, the NBA’s first black head coach, once described as “you’re allowed to play two blacks at home, three on the road and five when you’re behind.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/nba-team-...kzmbPtXRDRA.99

[Dr.J4ever]

20-30% of the league was black in 60s as compared to today's league which has about 80% black players.
You must be kidding me if you think that today's league is not better.

Not saying it's not better today, but don't you feel a bit misled by many of today's so called experts, who were probably just too lazy to look it up?

But whatever, it's a definite eye opener for me. I could have sworn players back then were at least 2-3 inches shorter on average.

[Psileas]

20-30% of the league was black in 60s as compared to today's league which has about 80% black players.
You must be kidding me if you think that today's league is not better.

Quote:

The paper notes the number of blacks rose in the 1960s, even though many believed there was an unspoken quota system among league owners that former Celtics great Bill Russell, the NBA’s first black head coach, once described as “you’re allowed to play two blacks at home, three on the road and five when you’re behind.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/nba-team-...kzmbPtXRDRA.99

You took the Russell quote seriously?
So, the 60's Sixers weren't using Wilt, Walker, Greer, Luke Jackson altogether at home, unless behind, neither were the Celtics using Russell, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Sanders, the Royals weren't using Oscar, Embry, Hairston, Hawkins, the Lakers weren't using Baylor, Barnett, Ellis, Hazzard, the Knicks weren't using Reed, Bellamy, Green, Boozer, Barnes, etc...

Note that I already mentioned more than 20% of the league back then, especially accounting for minutes played, without even mentioning all teams. Although whites were more, 60's NBA rosters were full of white bench warmers who artificially deflated the percentage of blacks while contributing practically nothing. So, no, the league was nowhere near only 20% black.

Plus, an 80%-20% ratio in favor of blacks is not necessarily the most fair one, either, since there may be a higher (than 20%) percentage of whites who are talented, but since USA basketball appeals to blacks more, its professional leagues are going to have more black-friendly rules, thus creating a "the blacker, the better" illusion.

[Dr.J4ever]

It seems one by one, modern day NBA myths are falling here in ISH..Height-check, Weight-check, Wilt's opponents-check, what else? Athleticism? Rules? Maybe defensive concepts?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Also needs to be mentioned that players' heights measured with shoes on and updated weights is a recent "thing".
There's no way Dwight is taller than Moses, and there's no way Moses was even close to 215 lbs at his best (listed weight on bball reference, on wiki it's 260 though).. One example out of countless.

With that, the average height was still higher in the 80's (listed heights) and the difference in weight is minimal (again, listed weights).

[PHILA]

West: Officially listed at 6'2 by basketball-reference

Kobe: Earlier in career was officially listed at 6'7



February 3, 2010

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[Euroleague]

European players get drafted by the NBA and they all magically grow by 1-2 inches the instant second they get drafted.

So yes, NBA players are "taller" on paper.........not in actuality though.

They just simply claim they are taller.

Just like how they used to list the guys without shoes, and now they list them in shoes. Players in the 60s from the NCAA were actually 6'2", not 6'0" but listed wrongly at 6'2" or whatever.

"All the players are taller now".

"All the players in Europe are shorter".

Of course, the average moron is dumb enough to believe this bullshit.

"People today are taller"............shit is hilarious, people actually believe this absurd nonsense, or the really hilarious one - "the nutrition today is better so people grow taller"......

The nutrition today is WORSE, it is MUCH MUCH WORSE

WORSE WORSE WORSE

MUCH WORSE

People are not taller today

They are actually shorter today. People are actually shorter today than they were and the nutrition and food values are significantly much WORSE than they were.

Anyone saying otherwise is a drooling retard and does not know basic true facts and is a brainwashed moron.

Yet, NBA gimmick marketing prevails.

[Euroleague]

It seems one by one, modern day NBA myths are falling here in ISH..Height-check, Weight-check, Wilt's opponents-check, what else? Athleticism? Rules? Maybe defensive concepts?

NBA is better than Euroleague - check............oh wait.........