How many people here dont have Jordan as the GOAT ?

[nba_55]

For consideration of being the GOAT as a big, you have to have a dominant offensive game. Russell didn't. And that is a huge minus on his resume. At least that's my take. How can you be the GOAT if you don't even know if your big can dominate offensively down low and carry a team and handle the doubles and find the open man?

As I said, you can't judge a player's offensive game only looking at stats. Offensive is more complicated, it's not just PPG.

[97 bulls]

As I said, you can't judge a player's offensive game only looking at stats. Offensive is more complicated, it's not just PPG.

Even more, you cant judge a players impact by stats only

[ClipperRevival]

As I said, you can't judge a player's offensive game only looking at stats. Offensive is more complicated, it's not just PPG.

Umm, in judging the GOAT big it is. Show me another all time great big with Russell's pedestrian offensive numbers. Kaj, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq. All dominant offensively.

[nba_55]

Even more, you cant judge a players impact by stats only

Exactly! That guy is talking like he grew up watching Russell play live. Don't talk about shits you don't know.

[nba_55]

Umm, in judging the GOAT big it is. Show me another all time great big with Russell's pedestrian offensive numbers. Kaj, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq. All dominant offensively.

Show we another all time great big with 11 rings.

We can make arbitrary criterias like these all day long.

[ClipperRevival]

Show we another all time great big with 11 rings.

And that's why when judging the GOAT, you have to look at the entire picture. Kaj won enough and was much more dominant offensively and played closer to the modern era when he talent pool was much greater. For me, Kaj clearly over Russell. If you disagree, fine.

[nba_55]

And that's why when judging the GOAT, you have to look at the entire picture. Kaj won enough and was much more dominant offensively and played closer to the modern era when he talent pool was much greater. For me, Kaj clearly over Russell. If you disagree, fine.

Yeah, it's fine.

Before this discussion, I didn't know if you were a knowledgeable poster, I didn't know if your GOAT list should be taken seriously. And I didn't make premature conclusions on you. I asked you questions, I informed myself and now, after discussing with you, I can safely conclude that you don't know much. Your GOAT list don't mean anything and shouldn't be taken seriously.

It was nice discussing with you. Have a good time.

[gts]

I've got Kareem...

[Uncle Drew]

To me, Kareem is the best to ever play. Or Lew Alincdor rather.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Giannis >>>>>>>>> Spanoulis.

Giannis:



Spanoulis:



Looks pretty clear to me.

[MJistheGOAT]

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[WallIn]

He's a GOAT in my eyes. Very few arguments could be used against him.

[3ball]

He's a GOAT in my eyes. Very few arguments could be used against him.

what are the arguments against jordan?

it can't be longevity - he won 6 rings in 15 seasons - that's long enough... and his 6/15 winning percentage (40%) is the greatest of all time (besides russell ofc).

it can't be stats or accolades.

so what is it?

is it that he turned an ordinary 2nd round exit team into the greatest team of all time?

so when you say "very few"... i can't think of any.

[G0ATbe]

what are the arguments against jordan?


is it that he turned an ordinary 2nd round exit team into the greatest team of all time?

? Pippen did that, not Jordan.


And it was actually 1st round exit .