kobes stats in the nba finals

[branslowski]

Just look at those dominant, all time numbers that just crush anyone who ever played! And on the NBA's highest stage! I never understood it before but seeing the numbers displayed like that makes me realize why some people try to compare him to Jordan. He just shyts on anything Jordan ever did in the Finals, that's for sure.

I mean, how could anyone get offended by people comparing Kobe to Jordan looking at those numbers?

Im pretty sure no one said they were dominant....Nor did anyone say they were better than Jordan's...So, maybe you should hop off MJ's dick, sit down, and STFU please. God Bless.

[All Net]

Jordan faced a top 3 defense (#2 in defensive rating) during the '92 Finals. Kobe doesn't have any excuses, he just played awful.

Agreed

no excuses

Kobe played like crap in those series that stand out. Luckily all that matters to most is the last performane he put in..30,7 and 6 on the way to a championship.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Agreed

no excuses

Kobe played like crap in those series that stand out. Luckily all that matters to most is the last performane he put in..30,7 and 6 on the way to a championship.

While shooting 41%. He had a great all around productive series, no denying that.

[All Net]

While shooting 41%. He had a great all around productive series, no denying that.

He shot 43% not 41%. Abit of a difference. Couldn't of been better but not exactly bad.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Agreed

no excuses

Kobe played like crap in those series that stand out. Luckily all that matters to most is the last performane he put in..30,7 and 6 on the way to a championship.

To be fair, all the typical fan really cares about is if they win. From the fan's I talked to, when the Laker's lost to the Celtics that series, most of them acknowledged that Kobe did not play as he should have been. But once they won this year, all that is really forgiven and he's back to being loved by everyone (I live in so-cal btw so I see this everyday, but I'm a bulls fan in case you were wonderin =]).

So yea, all that matters is if they win.

[Knoe Itawl]

???

Kobe has faced the #1 defense nearly everytime in the NBA Finals. It's not his fault he couldn't torch an aging Lakers team or be guarded by Dan Majerle (who didn't have the footspeed to stay with SGs, hell even Drexler had the best series of his career against him) and KJ (too short to defend SGs in the post). Jordan's stats vs. #1 defenses during the 90s are equally bad, if not worse.

See here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136345

Jordan shot 40%, 41.1% and 38.6% when he faced #1 defenses during those championship runs. He just had the fortune of never encountering them in the finals.

This is laughable. First of all, Kobe's never faced defensive pressure the likes of those Pistons and Knicks teams. And he played that way while having the MOST DOMINANT LOW POST THREAT OF ALL TIME on his team taking defensive pressure off of him. Who did Jordan EVER have down low that could take away that kind of attention? Yet Jordan still prevailed and put up numbers that Kobe could never dream of. Any idiot that knows anything about basketeball knows that a big low post threat makes things easier for a wing player because while massive attention is paid to them, it allows them a freedom they wouldn't enjoy being the sole attention getter for the defense. And Kobe had PRIME SHAQ, the uber example of this! You really see the mindset of the Kobe Fanatic because they completely ignore this and act as if it's totally irrelevant. Or they'll say "b,b,but Kobe helped Shaq too!!" as if it's even a comparison of who benefits more in that situation. If a prime Jordan has someone to draw that kind of attention, then only a fool wouldn't think that he'd be even MORE efficient. Even so, he STILL shines over everything Kobe's done. Not only that, but he did it across the board, while you're just focusing on scoring (though he still doesn't come close to him). You're also making all types of excuses for his performance. He's the great Kobe so why didn't he find a way to dominate those defenses? (You know, like a prime Shaq. Isn't he actually above Shaq's level, according to Stans? He should have outperformed him. Oh, but he wasn't the team's focal point. Well why not? Because he wasn't good enough to be. See you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he didn't do as well as O'Neil because he wasn't the focal point of the team, then ignore that that was the case BECAUSE HE WASN't GOOD ENOUGH to be.

At any rate, these are Jordan's Finals stats. There's no way you can spin out of this with your usual obfuscation, because they speak for themselves. Instead of just bowing out of this comparison (because you just can't win) like a reasonable, non Kobe fanatic would do, you'll try your usual tactics of trying to spin THE OBVIOUS. That's why you're rep is what it is. Anyone with an IQ over 15 can see through you.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/stats_finals.htm

Only an idiot would try to argue that in any way those numbers don't crush everything Kobe's done. Only a disengenous type would try to spin things to make their crush look better since they can't do it by actual side by side comparison. See, part of the reason Kobe gets so much "hate" is because of people who try to argue up = down to elevate him. It would be like me trying to somehow shoehorn Wade into Jordan's status by obfuscation, even though it's obvious he's not.

Kobe hasn't set the world on fire in the Finals, and that's that. He's had one seris that I would consider "very good". The others have all been mediocre to subpar. By the way, you're also comparing a PRIME Kobe to some of the numbers Jordan put up at 33 to 35 years old! Which just shows your need to obfuscate even more. Kobe's JUST NOW only 31. Talk about defenses. Get back to me when Kobe goes through something like the Jordan Rules, or those brusing Knicks teams, with handchecking, with "hard" fouls that would be flagrants today. Without Shaq down low. And you're going to tell me Jordan had it easier? You're a joke.

The Finals are the NBA's biggest stage. Kobe's not only had the benefit of the MDE down low, but also Phil Jax and a great supporting team, for the majority of his runs, and yet he's still not been able to truly make them his personal stage, like Jordan did. And for those of us that live in reality, his output is GLARING, and part of the reason many of us just can't elevate him into the kind of pantheon that certain people want him to be in. It's always some kind of dismissal and excuses when he doesn't perform up to his hype, but then ultra praise is heaped on him when he does. Duncan didn't need excuses, Shaq didn't. Hakeem didn't Jordan' doesn't. But Kobe does. Kobe ALWAYS does.

[aznboy2k2]

Attitude.

Hes just mad Kobe didn't deep throat him as hard as he would have liked last night.

[LAClipsFan33]

This is laughable. First of all, Kobe's never faced defensive pressure the likes of those Pistons and Knicks teams. And he played that way while having the MOST DOMINANT LOW POST THREAT OF ALL TIME on his team taking defensive pressure off of him. Who did Jordan EVER have down low that could take away that kind of attention? Yet Jordan still prevailed and put up numbers that Kobe could never dream of. Any idiot that knows anything about basketeball knows that a big low post threat makes things easier for a wing player because while massive attention is paid to them, it allows them a freedom they wouldn't enjoy being the sole attention getter for the defense. And Kobe had PRIME SHAQ, the uber example of this! You really see the mindset of the Kobe Fanatic because they completely ignore this and act as if it's totally irrelevant. Or they'll say "b,b,but Kobe helped Shaq too!!" as if it's even a comparison of who benefits more in that situation. If a prime Jordan has someone to draw that kind of attention, then only a fool wouldn't think that he'd be even MORE efficient. Even so, he STILL shines over everything Kobe's done. Not only that, but he did it across the board, while you're just focusing on scoring (though he still doesn't come close to him). You're also making all types of excuses for his performance. He's the great Kobe so why didn't he find a way to dominate those defenses? (You know, like a prime Shaq. Isn't he actually above Shaq's level, according to Stans? He should have outperformed him. Oh, but he wasn't the team's focal point. Well why not? Because he wasn't good enough to be. See you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he didn't do as well as O'Neil because he wasn't the focal point of the team, then ignore that that was the case BECAUSE HE WASN't GOOD ENOUGH to be.

At any rate, these are Jordan's Finals stats. There's no way you can spin out of this with your usual obfuscation, because they speak for themselves. Instead of just bowing out of this comparison (because you just can't win) like a reasonable, non Kobe fanatic would do, you'll try your usual tactics of trying to spin THE OBVIOUS. That's why you're rep is what it is. Anyone with an IQ over 15 can see through you.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/stats_finals.htm

Only an idiot would try to argue that in any way those numbers don't crush everything Kobe's done. Only a disengenous type would try to spin things to make their crush look better since they can't do it by actual side by side comparison. See, part of the reason Kobe gets so much "hate" is because of people who try to argue up = down to elevate him. It would be like me trying to somehow shoehorn Wade into Jordan's status by obfuscation, even though it's obvious he's not.

Kobe hasn't set the world on fire in the Finals, and that's that. He's had one seris that I would consider "very good". The others have all been mediocre to subpar. By the way, you're also comparing a PRIME Kobe to some of the numbers Jordan put up at 33 to 35 years old! Which just shows your need to obfuscate even more. Kobe's JUST NOW only 31. Talk about defenses. Get back to me when Kobe goes through something like the Jordan Rules, or those brusing Knicks teams, with handchecking, with "hard" fouls that would be flagrants today. Without Shaq down low. And you're going to tell me Jordan had it easier? You're a joke.

The Finals are the NBA's biggest stage. Kobe's not only had the benefit of the MDE down low, but also Phil Jax and a great supporting team, for the majority of his runs, and yet he's still not been able to truly make them his personal stage, like Jordan did. And for those of us that live in reality, his output is GLARING, and part of the reason many of us just can't elevate him into the kind of pantheon that certain people want him to be in. It's always some kind of dismissal and excuses when he doesn't perform up to his hype, but then ultra praise is heaped on him when he does. Duncan didn't need excuses, Shaq didn't. Hakeem didn't Jordan' doesn't. But Kobe does. Kobe ALWAYS does.

[Jacks3]

Kobe played well in the 2000/2001/2002/2009 Finals. He struggled in 2004/2008, but to be fair, he was facing historically good defenses. Overall, he's been a phenomenal post-season performer throughout his career.

[Jacks3]

32+/7+/6/2/1 last year in the Finals. The percentages aren't bad either: 43% from the field, 38% from 3, 90% from the line.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He shot 43% not 41%. Abit of a difference. Couldn't of been better but not exactly bad.

You mean could of been better?

That game 1 he had was special.

[Glide2keva]

I doubt he did. 97 bulls is not that kind of poster. You might see "Bulls" in his name and connect him to the usual MJ fan suspects but he often clashes with the MJ brigade because he defends MJ's teammates.

Nothing wrong with that at all. I loved all the players on those teams. I have memories of each of their contributions, no matter how minute.

[Glide2keva]

This is laughable. First of all, Kobe's never faced defensive pressure the likes of those Pistons and Knicks teams. And he played that way while having the MOST DOMINANT LOW POST THREAT OF ALL TIME on his team taking defensive pressure off of him. Who did Jordan EVER have down low that could take away that kind of attention? Yet Jordan still prevailed and put up numbers that Kobe could never dream of. Any idiot that knows anything about basketeball knows that a big low post threat makes things easier for a wing player because while massive attention is paid to them, it allows them a freedom they wouldn't enjoy being the sole attention getter for the defense. And Kobe had PRIME SHAQ, the uber example of this! You really see the mindset of the Kobe Fanatic because they completely ignore this and act as if it's totally irrelevant. Or they'll say "b,b,but Kobe helped Shaq too!!" as if it's even a comparison of who benefits more in that situation. If a prime Jordan has someone to draw that kind of attention, then only a fool wouldn't think that he'd be even MORE efficient. Even so, he STILL shines over everything Kobe's done. Not only that, but he did it across the board, while you're just focusing on scoring (though he still doesn't come close to him). You're also making all types of excuses for his performance. He's the great Kobe so why didn't he find a way to dominate those defenses? (You know, like a prime Shaq. Isn't he actually above Shaq's level, according to Stans? He should have outperformed him. Oh, but he wasn't the team's focal point. Well why not? Because he wasn't good enough to be. See you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he didn't do as well as O'Neil because he wasn't the focal point of the team, then ignore that that was the case BECAUSE HE WASN't GOOD ENOUGH to be.

At any rate, these are Jordan's Finals stats. There's no way you can spin out of this with your usual obfuscation, because they speak for themselves. Instead of just bowing out of this comparison (because you just can't win) like a reasonable, non Kobe fanatic would do, you'll try your usual tactics of trying to spin THE OBVIOUS. That's why you're rep is what it is. Anyone with an IQ over 15 can see through you.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/stats_finals.htm

Only an idiot would try to argue that in any way those numbers don't crush everything Kobe's done. Only a disengenous type would try to spin things to make their crush look better since they can't do it by actual side by side comparison. See, part of the reason Kobe gets so much "hate" is because of people who try to argue up = down to elevate him. It would be like me trying to somehow shoehorn Wade into Jordan's status by obfuscation, even though it's obvious he's not.

Kobe hasn't set the world on fire in the Finals, and that's that. He's had one seris that I would consider "very good". The others have all been mediocre to subpar. By the way, you're also comparing a PRIME Kobe to some of the numbers Jordan put up at 33 to 35 years old! Which just shows your need to obfuscate even more. Kobe's JUST NOW only 31. Talk about defenses. Get back to me when Kobe goes through something like the Jordan Rules, or those brusing Knicks teams, with handchecking, with "hard" fouls that would be flagrants today. Without Shaq down low. And you're going to tell me Jordan had it easier? You're a joke.

The Finals are the NBA's biggest stage. Kobe's not only had the benefit of the MDE down low, but also Phil Jax and a great supporting team, for the majority of his runs, and yet he's still not been able to truly make them his personal stage, like Jordan did. And for those of us that live in reality, his output is GLARING, and part of the reason many of us just can't elevate him into the kind of pantheon that certain people want him to be in. It's always some kind of dismissal and excuses when he doesn't perform up to his hype, but then ultra praise is heaped on him when he does. Duncan didn't need excuses, Shaq didn't. Hakeem didn't Jordan' doesn't. But Kobe does. Kobe ALWAYS does.

OUTSTANDING POST!!!!!!!!!

[Kellogs4toniee]

This is laughable. First of all, Kobe's never faced defensive pressure the likes of those Pistons and Knicks teams. And he played that way while having the MOST DOMINANT LOW POST THREAT OF ALL TIME on his team taking defensive pressure off of him. Who did Jordan EVER have down low that could take away that kind of attention? Yet Jordan still prevailed and put up numbers that Kobe could never dream of. Any idiot that knows anything about basketeball knows that a big low post threat makes things easier for a wing player because while massive attention is paid to them, it allows them a freedom they wouldn't enjoy being the sole attention getter for the defense. And Kobe had PRIME SHAQ, the uber example of this! You really see the mindset of the Kobe Fanatic because they completely ignore this and act as if it's totally irrelevant. Or they'll say "b,b,but Kobe helped Shaq too!!" as if it's even a comparison of who benefits more in that situation. If a prime Jordan has someone to draw that kind of attention, then only a fool wouldn't think that he'd be even MORE efficient. Even so, he STILL shines over everything Kobe's done. Not only that, but he did it across the board, while you're just focusing on scoring (though he still doesn't come close to him). You're also making all types of excuses for his performance. He's the great Kobe so why didn't he find a way to dominate those defenses? (You know, like a prime Shaq. Isn't he actually above Shaq's level, according to Stans? He should have outperformed him. Oh, but he wasn't the team's focal point. Well why not? Because he wasn't good enough to be. See you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he didn't do as well as O'Neil because he wasn't the focal point of the team, then ignore that that was the case BECAUSE HE WASN't GOOD ENOUGH to be.

At any rate, these are Jordan's Finals stats. There's no way you can spin out of this with your usual obfuscation, because they speak for themselves. Instead of just bowing out of this comparison (because you just can't win) like a reasonable, non Kobe fanatic would do, you'll try your usual tactics of trying to spin THE OBVIOUS. That's why you're rep is what it is. Anyone with an IQ over 15 can see through you.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/stats_finals.htm

Only an idiot would try to argue that in any way those numbers don't crush everything Kobe's done. Only a disengenous type would try to spin things to make their crush look better since they can't do it by actual side by side comparison. See, part of the reason Kobe gets so much "hate" is because of people who try to argue up = down to elevate him. It would be like me trying to somehow shoehorn Wade into Jordan's status by obfuscation, even though it's obvious he's not.

Kobe hasn't set the world on fire in the Finals, and that's that. He's had one seris that I would consider "very good". The others have all been mediocre to subpar. By the way, you're also comparing a PRIME Kobe to some of the numbers Jordan put up at 33 to 35 years old! Which just shows your need to obfuscate even more. Kobe's JUST NOW only 31. Talk about defenses. Get back to me when Kobe goes through something like the Jordan Rules, or those brusing Knicks teams, with handchecking, with "hard" fouls that would be flagrants today. Without Shaq down low. And you're going to tell me Jordan had it easier? You're a joke.

The Finals are the NBA's biggest stage. Kobe's not only had the benefit of the MDE down low, but also Phil Jax and a great supporting team, for the majority of his runs, and yet he's still not been able to truly make them his personal stage, like Jordan did. And for those of us that live in reality, his output is GLARING, and part of the reason many of us just can't elevate him into the kind of pantheon that certain people want him to be in. It's always some kind of dismissal and excuses when he doesn't perform up to his hype, but then ultra praise is heaped on him when he does. Duncan didn't need excuses, Shaq didn't. Hakeem didn't Jordan' doesn't. But Kobe does. Kobe ALWAYS does.

Wow can you say checkmate? Haha. I feel like I should save that post or something, bound to use it sometime in the future. I want to see what Fatal says about this when compared to his original post.

[BlackMamba24]

damn...HATERS are mad cause kobe's on his way to greatness and his 5th ring..better than jordan