kobes stats in the nba finals

[Fatal9]

Just look at those dominant, all time numbers that just crush anyone who ever played! And on the NBA's highest stage! I never understood it before but seeing the numbers displayed like that makes me realize why some people try to compare him to Jordan. He just shyts on anything Jordan ever did in the Finals, that's for sure.

I mean, how could anyone get offended by people comparing Kobe to Jordan looking at those numbers?

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Kobe has faced the #1 defense nearly everytime in the NBA Finals. It's not his fault he couldn't torch an aging Lakers team or be guarded by Dan Majerle (who didn't have the footspeed to stay with SGs, hell even Drexler had the best series of his career against him) and KJ (too short to defend SGs in the post). Jordan's stats vs. #1 defenses during the 90s are equally bad, if not worse.

See here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136345

Jordan shot 40%, 41.1% and 38.6% when he faced #1 defenses during those championship runs. He just had the fortune of never encountering them in the finals, except in '96...and we all know how well he played that year.

[97 bulls]

wow i didnt intend to get this started. next time ill just send rock a pm. mods please delete this thread. his stats are nothing new. i just couldnt find it.

[chazzy]

Just look at those dominant, all time numbers that just crush anyone who ever played! And on the NBA's highest stage! I never understood it before but seeing the numbers displayed like that makes me realize why some people try to compare him to Jordan. He just shyts on anything Jordan ever did in the Finals, that's for sure.

I mean, how could anyone get offended by people comparing Kobe to Jordan looking at those numbers?

Here we goooooo... 13 pages, book it.

[Kellogs4toniee]

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Kobe has faced the #1 defense nearly everytime in the NBA Finals. It's not his fault he couldn't torch an aging Lakers team or be guarded by Dan Majerle (who didn't have the footspeed to stay with SGs, hell even Drexler had the best series of his career against him) and KJ (too short to defend SGs in the post). Jordan's stats vs. #1 defenses during the 90s are equally bad, if not worse.

See here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136345

Jordan shot 40%, 41.1% and 38.6% when he faced #1 defenses during those championship runs. He just had the fortune of never encountering them in the finals.

This is a very good and solid point. Not taking anything away from Kobe, but just want to point out that MJ was never "just" guarded by Majerle or Russell or Ehlo in the sense that he was usually double or tripled. Just seems that way in your post.

[D-Rose]

Somebody get Kobe's WCF stats.

[shadow]

amazing how he comes out of hibernation the instant there is a chance to bash kobe.

[Dunaprenti]

Just look at those dominant, all time numbers that just crush anyone who ever played! And on the NBA's highest stage! I never understood it before but seeing the numbers displayed like that makes me realize why some people try to compare him to Jordan. He just shyts on anything Jordan ever did in the Finals, that's for sure.

I mean, how could anyone get offended by people comparing Kobe to Jordan looking at those numbers?

Please check MJ stats. Kobe is great though..

[Lakers13]

amazing how he comes out of hibernation the instant there is a chance to bash kobe.

Definition of a troll

[Cyclone112]

Please check MJ stats. Kobe is great though..

lol, perhaps you didn't notice the sarcasm in that post.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

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Kobe has faced the #1 defense nearly everytime in the NBA Finals. It's not his fault he couldn't torch an aging Lakers team or be guarded by Dan Majerle (who didn't have the footspeed to stay with SGs, hell even Drexler had the best series of his career against him) and KJ (too short to defend SGs in the post). Jordan's stats vs. #1 defenses during the 90s are equally bad, if not worse.

See here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136345

Jordan shot 40%, 41.1% and 38.6% when he faced #1 defenses during those championship runs. He just had the fortune of never encountering them in the finals.

Top 10 defenses that Michael Jordan faced in the playoffs:
1985 Milwaukee Bucks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
29.3ppg 5.8reb 8.5ast 44%fg
(High scoring game: 35pts)

1986 Boston Celtics ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
43.7ppg 6.4reb 5.7ast 51%fg
(High scoring game: 63pts & a 49pt game)

1987 Boston Celtics ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
35.7ppg 7.0reb 6.0ast 42%fg
(High scoring game: 42pts)

1988 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense
45.2ppg 5.4reb 4.8ast 57%fg
(High scoring game: 55pts, 50pts, & a 44pt game)

1988 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
27.4ppg 8.8reb 4.6ast 50%fg
(High scoring game: 36pts)

1989 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
39.8ppg 5.8reb 8.2ast 49%fg
(High scoring game: 50pts, & two 44pt games)

1989 New York Knicks ranked 10th in the NBA in defense
35.67ppg 9.5reb 8.3ast 50%fg
(High scoring game: 47pts & two 40pt games)

1989 Detroit Pistons ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
29.67ppg 5.5reb 6.5ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 46pts)

1990 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
32.14ppg 7.1reb 6.3ast 47%fg
(High scoring game: 47pts & a 42pt game)

1991 Detroit Pistons ranked 4th in the NBA in defense
29.75ppg 5.3reb 7.0ast 54%fg
(High scoring game: 35pts)

1991 L.A. Lakers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense
31.2 points 11.4ast 6.6reb 56%fg
(High scoring game: 36pts)

1992 New York Knicks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
31.28ppg 5.7reb 4.3ast 48%fg
(High scoring game: 42pts)

1992 Portland Trailblazers ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
35.8 ppg 4.8reb 6.5ast 53%fg
(High scoring game: 46pts)

1993 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 6th in the NBA in defense
31.00ppg 5.0reb 5.25ast 49%fg
(High scoring game: 43pts)

1993 New York Knicks ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
32.16ppg 6.2reb 7.0ast 40%fg
(High scoring game: 54 pts)
Jordan had a sprained right wrist in the '93 Conference Finals against the Knicks, which he suffered in game 2 against the Cavs.

1993 Phoenix Suns ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
41.00ppg 8.5 reb 6.3ast 51%fg
(High scoring game: 55pts)

[Fatal9]

You realize beating a "top 10 defense" in any single year isn't exactly a great accomplishment? Usually it's the top 2-3 defenses that are capable of shutting down top players. Bulls this year are a "top 10 defense" but if LBJ torches them in the playoffs, will people remember him doing it against a great defense? Hell every good team in the playoffs is usually a "top 10 defense" (considering only 16 teams make it, and the best defensive teams are usually in). It's a pretty average standard to go by.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You realize beating a "top 10 defense" in any single year isn't exactly a great accomplishment? Usually it's the top 2-3 defenses that are capable of shutting down top players. Bulls this year are a "top 10 defense" but if LBJ torches them in the playoffs, will people remember him doing it against a great defense? Hell every good team in the playoffs is usually a "top 10 defense" (considering only 16 teams make it, and the best defensive teams are usually in). It's a pretty average standard to go by.

Jordan faced a top 3 defense (#2 in defensive rating) during the '92 Finals. Kobe doesn't have any excuses, he just played awful.

[magnax1]

Somebody get Kobe's WCF stats.

He always does seem to dominate in the conference finals. Against the Blazers, Kings, and Nuggets. I don't want to look it up though.
To be fair, nobody played well against the Pistons or Celtics those years. I'm sure his team mates stats sucked too.

[Kellogs4toniee]

You realize beating a "top 10 defense" in any single year isn't exactly a great accomplishment? Usually it's the top 2-3 defenses that are capable of shutting down top players. Bulls this year are a "top 10 defense" but if LBJ torches them in the playoffs, will people remember him doing it against a great defense? Hell every good team in the playoffs is usually a "top 10 defense" (considering only 16 teams make it, and the best defensive teams are usually in). It's a pretty average standard to go by.

You do realize a significant amount of those stats are against the Celtics and Pistons of the late 80's and the Knicks of the 90's, teams that aren't considered just good defense teams but greatest defense teams of all time?

[Alhazred]

You realize beating a "top 10 defense" in any single year isn't exactly a great accomplishment? Usually it's the top 2-3 defenses that are capable of shutting down top players. Bulls this year are a "top 10 defense" but if LBJ torches them in the playoffs, will people remember him doing it against a great defense? Hell every good team in the playoffs is usually a "top 10 defense" (considering only 16 teams make it, and the best defensive teams are usually in). It's a pretty average standard to go by.

A lot of those teams are ranked in the top three, though. Notably the Knicks, Pistons and Trailblazers.