Where will LeBron rank if he wins it all without Kyrie, Love, and Varejao?

[r15mohd]

Well Kobe shoots about 10 percent for his career in that scenario, so probably not him

true...though he still gives you the better chance over MJ in that scenario. just comparing greats, as above.

[Blue&Orange]

afaik

Kyrie is averaging 19\3.5\3.5 on this playoffs, so i don't get the without part.
No one in his right mind would bench Tristan for Love now.
And there's no chance in hell varejao would start over Mozgod.


So yeah the most stacked team in the NBA lost some depth, poor Lebron he never has enough help.


The overrating of the statpadder continues.

[Kingwillball]

afaik

Kyrie is averaging 19\3.5\3.5 on this playoffs, so i don't get the without part.
No one in his right mind would bench Tristan for Love now.
And there's no chance in hell varejao would start over Mozgod.


So yeah the most stacked team in the NBA lost some depth, poor Lebron he never has enough help.


The overrating of the statpadder continues.

He has played basically last 2 rounds with little contribution of the 2 other all stars so yeah lebron and a bunch of role players basically won last 2 series. If Cavs come back with everyone fully healthy I agree they would be most stacked team in league. Adding love , Andy V and healthy Irving puts Cavs at another level.

[r15mohd]

afaik

Kyrie is averaging 19\4\4 on this playoffs, so i don't get the without part.
No one in his right mind would bench Tristan for Love now.
And there's no chance in hell varejao would start over Mozgod.


So yeah the most stacked team in the NBA lost some depth, poor Lebron he never has enough help.


The overrating of the statpadder continues.

afaik? seems you know very little...still butthurt over 2010?

Irving's been injured the last few games, and has been a liability more than a benefit during the Bulls series. as for KLove, he gets the nod over TT due to the spacing...TT will still play, but will be back to the reg season ways with both TT and KLove finishing off games at times.

and Verjao has done exactly what Moz is doing now for the Cavs during his years with Lebron. who's to say he wouldn't do the same with Lebron back in town?

[pauk]

Still behind Larry.

Why? Simple - Game 7 with 5 seconds left, would you rather let Larry or LeBron take the last shot?

Well, if you want simplicity here and even more importantly facts from what we know... then you would obviously go with whoever was proven to be better in those situations right?

1st of all, Lebron is the much better (maybe the best ever) Game 7 performer and arguably best in NBA history, his productions & success in Game 7 is amazing as you can see here compared to Michael Jordan (doubt Bird was any better than that guy)... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ing-of-game-7s

Now, clutchness...

Larry Bird -
15 career gamewinners in the regular season
3 career gamewinners in the playoffs

LeBron James -
20 career gamewinners in the regular season
8 career gamewinners in the playoffs (3 buzzer beaters), more than anybody in NBA history in the playoffs....

Lebron also averages more in "clutch stats" http://www.82games.com/

5 seconds is alot for Lebron to create a higher percentage shot, layup/dunk/and1....

Bird i would want to take the last shot only if it was not enough time like 1-2 seconds, so it had to be a jumpshot / catch-n-shoot.... afterall, he is a better shooter....

[Blue&Orange]

afaik? seems you know very little...still butthurt over 2010?

Irving's been injured the last few games, and has been a liability more than a benefit during the Bulls series. as for KLove, he gets the nod over TT due to the spacing...TT will still play, but will be back to the reg season ways with both TT and KLove finishing off games at times.

and Verjao has done exactly what Moz is doing now for the Cavs during his years with Lebron. who's to say he wouldn't do the same with Lebron back in town?

Thanks for your opinion, but do you realize you haven't really contradicted anything i said? Or are you too dumb to not?

[DukeDelonte13]

afaik? seems you know very little...still butthurt over 2010?

Irving's been injured the last few games, and has been a liability more than a benefit during the Bulls series. as for KLove, he gets the nod over TT due to the spacing...TT will still play, but will be back to the reg season ways with both TT and KLove finishing off games at times.

and Verjao has done exactly what Moz is doing now for the Cavs during his years with Lebron. who's to say he wouldn't do the same with Lebron back in town?

What? Andy and Moz are totally different in play style and how they mesh with Lebron.

[Akrazotile]

Well Kobe shoots about 10 percent for his career in that scenario, so probably not him

This.

Youd literally be better off taking Tim Duncan or Blake Griffin.

[Out_In_Utah]

He's about to sweep a 60 win team with 4 all stars without Kyrie/Love/Andy

He's already top 1 of all time.

If that is how we evaluate players, then Dirk is #1 all time because of 2011.

[Prometheus]

Well, if you want simplicity here and even more importantly facts from what we know... then you would obviously go with whoever was proven to be better in those situations right?

1st of all, Lebron is the much better (maybe the best ever) Game 7 performer and arguably best in NBA history, his productions & success in Game 7 is amazing as you can see here compared to Michael Jordan (doubt Bird was any better than that guy)... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ing-of-game-7s

Now, clutchness...

Larry Bird -
15 career gamewinners in the regular season
3 career gamewinners in the playoffs

LeBron James -
20 career gamewinners in the regular season
8 career gamewinners in the playoffs (3 buzzer beaters), more than anybody in NBA history in the playoffs....

Lebron also averages more in "clutch stats" http://www.82games.com/

5 seconds is alot for Lebron to create a higher percentage shot, layup/dunk/and1....

Bird i would want to take the last shot only if it was not enough time like 1-2 seconds, so it had to be a jumpshot / catch-n-shoot.... afterall, he is a better shooter....

Get em.

[r15mohd]

Thanks for your opinion, but do you realize you haven't really contradicted anything i said? Or are you too dumb to not?

seems you are the dumb one here...let's take a stint of your post:

"Kyrie is averaging 19\4\4 on this playoffs, so i don't get the without part."

Cavs have been without Kyrie for a few games now, and was hardly that statline during the Bulls series outside of a couple games due to his injury. he was more a liability to defense (more than he usually is) and his offensive
was limited to the same injury

and this is certainly contradictory to you insinuating Kyrie's statline is noteworthy for much of the Bulls series (2-3 games?), and even the Hawks series so far where he's barely played...so yes, without KI :

[r15mohd]

This.

Youd literally be better off taking Tim Duncan or Blake Griffin.

riiiggghhhhttttt

[r15mohd]

What? Andy and Moz are totally different in play style and how they mesh with Lebron.

Andy pre-Heat Lebron? (nothing much to show with this years Varejao and LBJ)

vs

Moz post-Heat Lebron?


both provided/providing a lot of the same intangibles during each respective time alongside Lebron. Moz can attack more on his own, Andy relied on the play to be setup for him to score with PnR's and put backs. but it's not drastically different to where one is so much better than the other on what they provide to the team. you pick Moz when going big, you pick Andy when going small however still keep the inside presence from both with either direction.

[guy]

These aren't really relevant. Kyrie is questionable today, meaning he should definitely be back for the finals. Its been questionable all year if the Cavs have been better off with or without Love due to chemistry issues and now Tristan Thompson. They essentially replaced Varejeao and upgraded with Mozgov, and having Varejeao is basically a luxury anyway since he's one of the most injury proned players in the league.

Forget the names behind the jersey. Lebron is shooting 42% and 16% from 3. Do people seriously think he's not getting good help for them to get this far with him shooting like that?

If people's memories are as foggy 15-30 years from now as they are today, no one will really pay much attention to the actual performances from the big names like Kyrie, Wade, and Bosh playing with Lebron in Cleveland (if they win) and Miami and they will only pay attention to the big name and his help will be overglorified just like the help of other all-time greats. Examples: No one remembers that Jordan had no one dependable offensively in the playoffs during the 2nd-threepeat with Pippen being banged up each of those playoffs and statistically terrible offensively. No one remembers that for Magic's last 3 championships Kareem was over 35 years old and didn't play more then 32 mpg in the playoffs, and for his last 4 championships, Kareem couldn't average double digit rebounds. ETC.

[BlazerRed]

IMO Durant would still be ahead all time

What alternative universe am I stuck in?