Why Wilt Chamberlain would dominate in today's game ! Bruce Blitz

[jlauber]

Scoring 50 ppg is "impossible" in every era, since no one else has ever done it in any other era as well.

When Wilt came into the league the scoring record was 29.2 ppg; the rebounding record was 23.0 rpg, and the FG% record was .490.

I wonder how many true fans of the game, in 1959, imagined a player averaging 50 ppg over an entire season, or scoring 100 points in a game, or ripping down 27 rpg in a season, or grabbing 55 rebounds in a game, or shooting .683 and even .727 in a season, or blocking 23 or 25 shots in a game, or having multiple quad-doubles.


Then, after Chamberlain "retired", following his 14 years in the league, no one has approached ANY of those marks since.

[Fatstogie]

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]"There is a common belief that Wilt was so good because he played in an era where there was no competition or size to compete with Wilt. I am going to show that Wilt would dominate in today

[Fatstogie]

When Wilt came into the league the scoring record was 29.2 ppg; the rebounding record was 23.0 rpg, and the FG% record was .490.

I wonder how many true fans of the game, in 1959, imagined a player averaging 50 ppg over an entire season, or scoring 100 points in a game, or ripping down 27 rpg in a season, or grabbing 55 rebounds in a game, or shooting .683 and even .727 in a season, or blocking 23 or 25 shots in a game, or having multiple quad-doubles.


Then, after Chamberlain "retired", following his 14 years in the league, no one has approached ANY of those marks since.

And no one ever will. CAuse the league was a joke back then and wilt was a freak.

Today? Everyone is a freak. So youll never see those numbers again becaues the league is much more difficult with much more talent. Even if he could score that many, no honky ass white teammates would stand around and watch.

People would not wanna play with him. CAuse theres more skill. Everyone can score now. His stats should almost get a *. If he played today hed be good.

BUT YOU ARE INA DREAM WORLD IF YOU THINK HES GETTING 100 POITNS. Would likely, RARELY, get 30.

[jlauber]

And here are some other feats that are seldom brought up (except by myself and perhaps a few others)...

There have been 131 30-30 games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 103 of them. Other than Wilt, there have been SIX 40-30 games in NBA history, ...while Chamberlain had 55 (and 17 of them came against Russell.) There have been eight 40-40 games in NBA history, and Wilt has ALL of them (including one against Russell.) There have been 27 50-30 games in the history of the NBA, and Chamberlain has 25 of them. There have been nine 60-30 games NBA history, and Wilt has SEVEN of them, including a 68-34 game, and a remarkable 73-36 game against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy. There have been FOUR 50-40 games in NBA history, and Wilt has them ALL, including a 78-43 game.

Chamberlain also has the THREE highest "perfect games" in NBA history, with games of 15-15, 16-16, and 18-18. He also made 35 straight FGAs. He as THREE of the four highest FG%'s in a 60+ point game, and the highest mark of .829 in a game in which he scored 66 points on 29-35 shooting. He outshot the league by margins of .244 and .271 in '67 and '73. The highest "non-Wilt" mark is Artis Gilmore's .184 margin in the 80-81 season.

Chamberlain had 271 40+ point games in his career (including the only known 40 point game against 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond.) MJ is next with 173. Wilt had 118 50+ point games (including THREE against HOFer Willis Reed, and FIVE against Russell.) MJ is next with 31. Chamberlain had 32 60+ point games (including a 62 point game against Russell.) The rest of the entire NBA, in it's entire history... 30. MJ and Kobe are next with five each. There have been TEN 70+ point games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has SIX of them (including a 73 point game against HOFer Bellamy.)

There have been 28 40+ rebound games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 15 of them, including the all-time record of 55, in a game in which he outrebounded Russell by a 55-19 margin.

There has only been one 20-20-20 game in NBA history, and, guess who has it? A 22 point, 25 rebound, 21 assist game BTW. And while there have been many triple-double games, how about a 53 point, 32 rebound, 14 assist game (and on 24-29 shooting from the field)?

Chamberlain had TWO separate streaks of 14 games in a row in which he scored 40+ points, and he averaged 53 and 54 ppg in those two streaks. He also had a streak of 126 straight 25+ point games, and another streak of 65 straight 30+ point games. Then there was his streak of 7 straight 50+ point games (and he holds the next three longest streaks of 6, 5, and 5.) And how about this streak...he scored 351 points in a span of five games, or 70 ppg!

The fact is, Wilt STILL holds some 130+ NBA records. And in many cases he holds the next best mark(s) as well. And many of them will never be approached, either (like playing 48.5 mpg in a season, or grabbing 55 rebounds in a game, or scoring 100 points in game, or averaging 50 ppg in a season, etc, etc.)

[Jameerthefear]

Wilt would average 9 TOs per game in todays league.

[jlauber]

When wilt was playing? There werent guys on earth who were 5'6 and dunking. Now their are. So you no longer need the "stilt" to get to the rim. Hes too slow.

And players like Dwight would D his ass up.

Fact is more people are more athletic now. Its hwy the league has gotten smaller. Because a large guy taller than everyone just doesnt work anymore. And thats what wilt was.

If you look at the D hew as up against? Its a joke.

How about the 5-9 Calvin Murphy, who played college ball in the late 60's, and would be in the NBA for a number of seasons?

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest19...hartford2.html

His first dunk came in the 10th grade.

He was 5-8.

"My hands were too small, so I couldn't palm the ball with one hand," he says. "One day I threw it off the backboard, went up, grabbed it with two hands and dunked it. It surprised me I was up that high. But yeah, it was something, a rush."

Or 6-6 Gus Johnson, who was shattering backboards in the 60's?

http://www.jockbio.com/Classic/Gus_J...hnson_bio.html

As for Gus’s legacy at Idaho, that can be summed up in two words: The Nail. In 1963, he was hanging out with fellow students at the Corner Club. The conversation turned to his jumping ability. Just how high can you jump?, Gus was asked. He didn’t have an answer. He had never thought to measure his vertical leap. Gus was game right there and then. Flatfooted, in his street clothes, he exploded into the air and slapped a ceiling beam at a spot subsequently measured at 11’ 6”. Owner Herm Goetz hammered a nail into the beam at the spot and made it known that anyone who could repeat Gus’s feat would drink for free.

Over the years, countless Vandals, as well as visiting players, tried and failed to reach that nail. Among those who came up short was seven-footer Bill Walton. Finally, in 1986, Joey Johnson (younger brother of Dennis Johnson) reached the nail. Johnson was a legendary leaper who could touch his chin to a regulation rim. Corner Club denizens were quick to point out that the nail was merely a “starting point.” Gus once plucked a coin off the top of an NBA backboard, some 13 feet off the floor.

David Thompson?

http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2124

But by the time he was a 5-7 eighth-grader, Thompson could dunk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Manigault

Manigault was particularly famous for his leaping abilities on the basketball court, including his signature move - the double dunk. He would dunk the ball, catch it with his left hand, switch the ball to his right hand, bring it back around to the top of the basket and jam it through again, all done while still in the air on a single jump, and without hanging on the rim.[2] Like other street basketballers of the day such as Jackie Jackson, Earl was reportedly able to touch the top of the backboard to retrieve quarters and dollar bills, part of "elaborate innovations and tricks" elite street players of the era performed before games to help build their reputations.[3] He was only 6'1", but wore ankle weights constantly during practice as a child which helped him to build up tremendous jumping ability. He once dunked two-handed during a game from near the foul line over two players much taller than himself (Sahil Muliyil 5'8", David Urenda 5'9").[3] He once reverse dunked 36 times in a row to win a $60 bet.[4]

But to prove dunking was not his only skill, he would practice hundreds of shots each day, making him a deadly long-range shooter as well. Manigault played with some of the best players of his day, such as Earl Monroe, Connie Hawkins, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the latter of whom went as far as calling Manigault the greatest player he had ever seen. When Abdul-Jabbar finished his career with the Los Angeles Lakers and had his number retired at the Los Angeles Forum, he was asked who was the greatest player he had played with or against. After a long silence, he answered, "That would have to be 'The Goat'".[5]

How about a 6-4 WHITE guy back in the 40's?

http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1821

Jim Pollard has been called pro basketball's first power forward. He stood 6-5, a human pogo stick gifted with a 42-inch vertical leap. It's been said he could swipe quarters off the top of the backboard and slam-dunk from the free-throw line. Back then, dunking was considered poor sportsmanship, so Pollard reduced his throwdowns to a novelty act.

I could go on, but CLEARLY, there were GREAT leapers long before Jordan came along.

[millwad]

How about the 5-9 Calvin Murphy, who played college ball in the late 60's, and would be in the NBA for a number of seasons?

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest19...hartford2.html

Calvin joined the league like 11 years after Chamberlain arrived and the average guard in Wilt's statistical prime didn't have jumping ability of Murphy. And being 5-9 and able to dunk is not anything impressive really, I was 13 and 6-1 first time I dunked and I would look like a joke next to the beasts of the modern era..

Or 6-6 Gus Johnson, who was shattering backboards in the 60's?

http://www.jockbio.com/Classic/Gus_J...hnson_bio.html

Being a 6'6 dunker is not impressive. And we all know how shitty those backboards really were..
And haha, are we supposed to believe that Dennis Johnson's brother could put his chin above the ring..

David Thompson?

http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2124

Thompson joined the league 17 years after Chamberlain..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Manigault

And again you trust everything you read, sure, Manigault could dunk the ball twice before landing..

I could go on, but CLEARLY, there were GREAT leapers long before Jordan came along.

Yes, but it's a fact that Chamberlain played in a way less athletic league...

[jlauber]

Calvin joined the league like 11 years after Chamberlain arrived and the average guard in Wilt's statistical prime didn't have jumping ability of Murphy. And being 5-9 and able to dunk is not anything impressive really, I was 13 and 6-1 first time I dunked and I would look like a joke next to the beasts of the modern era..

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Murphy was in ninth grade and was 5-8, and he dunked with TWO hands.

Being a 6'6 dunker is not impressive. And we all know how shitty those backboards really were..
And haha, are we supposed to believe that Dennis Johnson's brother could put his chin above the ring

Disprove it.

Thompson joined the league 17 years after Chamberlain..

Thompson was in the ABA in '75. Wilt retired from the NBA in '73. And BTW, a 37 year old Wilt was the HIGHEST leaper on the '74 Conquistadors. Incidently, when Thompson was a 5-7 8th grader in 1966, he was dunking the ball.

And again you trust everything you read, sure, Manigault could dunk the ball twice before landing

So does that mean you think he would just be an average leaper in today's game? You are pathetic.

Yes, but it's a fact that Chamberlain played in a way less athletic league...

That's why James White is a completely worthless NBA player, and players like 6-9 Kevin Love RUNS AWAY with the rebounding title, a 37 year old 6-2 Steve Nash wins the assist title, and a 7-0 white guy wins the blocked shot title.


And before someone come's back and claims that Wilt was not dominating the league in the 70's like he did in the 60's...

Chamberlain LED the NBA in rebounding in nearly EVERY season, including by solid margins in his last two seasons, and then he averaged a whopping 22.5 rpg in his LAST post-season, and covering 17 games. The next best mark since? Kareem's 17.3 rpg in '77.

Wilt also shot .649 and an eye-popping .727 from the floor in his last two seasons, the latter being a record that will be broken.

As late as 1969, Chamberlain hung TWO 60+ point games (in a league that averaged 112 ppg.) He also pounded Russell with a 35 point game, and in another game against him that season, he outrebounded him, 42-18. He was LEADING the NBA in scoring at the start of the 69-70 season, at 32.2 ppg and on 60% shooting, when he went down with his devastating knee injury. Included in those nine games, were games of 37 on 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle, a 38 point game on reigning MVP Wes Unseld, a 43 point game on Bob Rule (look him up, he was an outstanding player.)Even then, and at nowhere near 100%, he averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 in a seven game Finals, which included a 45 point, 20-27 shooting, 27 rebound "must-win" game six.

In his 70-71 season, at 34 years of age, and only a year removed from major knee surgery, he battled Kareem in TEN H2H games, and over the course of those games, Kareem averaged 26 ppg to Wilt's 23, but Wilt outrebounded him 17.6 pg to 15.6 rpg, and outshot him, .490 to .454.

In his 71-72 season, he hung TWO 30-30 games, including a 31-32 game against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier. In fact, he averaged 29 ppg against Lanier that season in FIVE H2H games.

In Wilt's LAST season, he faced a PRIME Kareem in six H2H games, and outshot Abdul Jabbar over that span by an incredible .737 to .450 margin, including one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting him, 10-14 to 10-27. In the playoffs, he outrebounded Thurmond, 23.6 rpg to 17.2 rpg, while outshooting Nate, .550 to .398. In his LAST GAME, he hung a 23 point, on 9-16 shooting, 21 rebound game on HOFer Willis Reed.

[La Frescobaldi]

And no one ever will. CAuse the league was a joke back then and wilt was a freak.

Today? Everyone is a freak. So youll never see those numbers again becaues the league is much more difficult with much more talent. Even if he could score that many, no honky ass white teammates would stand around and watch.

People would not wanna play with him. CAuse theres more skill. Everyone can score now. His stats should almost get a *. If he played today hed be good.

BUT YOU ARE INA DREAM WORLD IF YOU THINK HES GETTING 100 POITNS. Would likely, RARELY, get 30.

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Kobe Bryant scored 81 points and sat out 6 minutes. the league was a joke back then and Kobe was a freak.
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Today? Everyone is a freak. So youll never see those numbers again becaues the league is much more difficult with much more talent. Even if he could score that many, no (hmmm how about lumbering Euro-League honkyass guys?) teammates would stand around and watch.

People would not wanna play with him. CAuse theres more skill. Everyone can score now. His stats should almost get a *. If he played today hed be good.

BUT YOU ARE INA DREAM WORLD IF YOU THINK HES GETTING 81 POITNS. Would likely, RARELY, get 30.

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Even Jordan couldn't get 70. so in today's league nobody can get 81, the league is too good .

[jlauber]

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Kobe Bryant scored 81 points and sat out 6 minutes. the league was a joke back then and Kobe was a freak.
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Today? Everyone is a freak. So youll never see those numbers again becaues the league is much more difficult with much more talent. Even if he could score that many, no (hmmm how about lumbering Euro-League honkyass guys?) teammates would stand around and watch.

People would not wanna play with him. CAuse theres more skill. Everyone can score now. His stats should almost get a *. If he played today hed be good.

BUT YOU ARE INA DREAM WORLD IF YOU THINK HES GETTING 81 POITNS. Would likely, RARELY, get 30.

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Even Jordan couldn't get 70. so in today's league nobody can get 81, the league is too good .

I will rep you when I can...

And once again, you would never see a 6-9 WHITE guy leading the NBA in rebounding in TODAY's NBA. Nor a 6-3 37 year old WHITE guy leading TODAY's NBA in assists. Nor a 7-0 WHITE guy leading TODAY's NBA in blocked shots. Nor a WHITE guy winning the FMVP.

Nor would you see a 6-6 CENTER in TODAY's NBA (like say a Chuck Hayes for instance.) Nor would you have seen a 6-7 CENTER leading the league in rebounding, TWICE, and winning DPOY's as recently as a few year's ago.

All of that would be an IMPOSSIBILITY in TODAY's NBA.

[abuC]

He'd be the best center in the league today, however he wouldn't post better numbers than a prime Shaq.

[millwad]

I will rep you when I can...

And once again, you would never see a 6-9 WHITE guy leading the NBA in rebounding in TODAY's NBA. Nor a 6-3 37 year old WHITE guy leading TODAY's NBA in assists. Nor a 7-0 WHITE guy leading TODAY's NBA in blocked shots. Nor a WHITE guy winning the FMVP.

You keep trolling about Love and his rebounding and that he's 6'9 and white. You easily tend to forget that a freaking 6'5 SF in Baylor had 3 seasons where he averaged more rebounds than what Love who lead the league this year in rebounding averaged..

And it's funny, Nash should be judged based on his skillset, not is physical abilities. And Ibaka lead the NBA in blocked shots(http://www.basketball-reference.com/...progress.html), not Bogut although Bogut had a higher average but he also missed games.

And your beloved white guy who won the finals MVP happens to be one of the most skilled PF's of all-time and his skillset is nothing but amazing. It's not about colour you idiot, it's about skillset.

The reason why people mock your beloved white players from the 50's and 60's is because most of them lacked both in skillset and athletisism. Are you gonna claim that Nash isn't skilled? That Love isn't skilled and that Nowitzki ain't skilled?

Nor would you see a 6-6 CENTER in TODAY's NBA (like say a Chuck Hayes for instance.) Nor would you have seen a 6-7 CENTER leading the league in rebounding, TWICE, and winning DPOY's as recently as a few year's ago.

All of that would be an IMPOSSIBILITY in TODAY's NBA.

Yeah, because we have so many 6-6 centers in today's NBA..
And your beloved Chuck Hayes is the worst starting center in the league and he's only getting the playing time he recieves because of Yao being injured..

[32Dayz]

Did Wilt ever shatter or pull down a backboard?

With his power and those weak back boards they used to have you'd think he would have pulled down a whole bunch.

[millwad]

Did Wilt ever shatter or pull down a backboard?

With his power and those weak back boards they used to have you'd think he would have pulled down a whole bunch.

I've thought about this as well..
We've heard stories about how strong he was and that he was so strong that he carried two men on each arm to slam the ball home with 2 hands and that he broke one players toe by slamming a basketball on it but still, no shattered backboards?

MY GOD, even 6-6 Gus Johnson shattered backboards...

But it's okey, after all, Wilt could dunk from the FT-line without a running start according to Jlauber so he had something else to be proud of..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

But it's okey, after all, Wilt could dunk from the FT-line without a running start according to Jlauber