3-peating is the true GOAT accomplishment

[StrongLurk]

I agree about Kobe. He was not top 10 during the 3peat. I couldn't put him top 10 as that was Shaq's team anyways. Before Tmac injuries, Tmac was the better player, especially his Orlando years. Russell is the GOAT of the premodern era. Jordan is the GOAT of the modern era. Russell could win titles when there were 8 teams in the league and he as a center shot sub 50%. Russell is a greyed out option in my GOAT list. He'll always be there, but I separate the premodern era from the modern era.

GOATS Of PreModern-- 1. Russell 2. Wilt

GOATs of Modern -- 1. Jordan 2. Kareem

A reasonable take? On ish?

This account better not be an alt.

[stalkerforlife]

[COLOR="Navy"]Because Kobe > Pippen and all of Russell's teammates...

And because Pippen was really bad in MOST of the big series the bulls played:... [/COLOR]

1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever 1st option w/ goat choke)

1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%

^^^^ ****ing horrible help..

[COLOR="Navy"]Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%[/COLOR]

Damn.

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[90sgoat]

Kobe averaged 22/5/4 pr. 36 during the 3-peat at age 21-23

Lebron averaged 23/7/5 pr. 36 during his Miami playoffs at age 26-29.



If Kobe wasn't a top 10 player during his first 3-peat, then Lebron certainly wasn't either.

And he isn't.

Lebron is top 12-15 at best.

[Anti Vida]

A reasonable take? On ish?

This account better not be an alt.

My first one. I post in multiple places/on multiple sites, so you won't ever see me flooding this one. I like to be a little bit everywhere and see different site cultures. This is one of the better ones.

[StrongLurk]

Kobe averaged 22/5/4 pr. 36 during the 3-peat at age 21-23

Lebron averaged 23/7/5 pr. 36 during his Miami playoffs at age 26-29.



If Kobe wasn't a top 10 player during his first 3-peat, then Lebron certainly wasn't either.

And he isn't.

Lebron is top 12-15 at best.

PER 100 possessions is a better stat.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.

[TheCorporation]

PER 100 possessions is a better stat.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.

Shit. It. Down

[Duncan21formvp]

Russell 8-peated.

8-peat is the true GOAT accomplishment.

Russell came into the league playing with the league mvp and ROY and only had to win 2 series a year for 8 titles to get a title. From the 1980's forward you needed to win 4 series a year to win a title. Russell for his 11 titles won 25 series. From the 80's forward you needed to win 24 series to win 6 titles.

[Smoke117]

When GSW fails to 3-peat this playoffs it will indeed yet again be proven that 3-peats are the true mark of the GOAT player.

MJ
Shaq
Russel
Kobe
Mikan

Only MJ, Russel and George Mikan did it without having a top 10 GOAT teammate.

MJ did it TWICE.

? Shaq also did it without a top 10 goat. Kobe did it as a sidekick so not even sure why you named him.

[iamgine]

Russell came into the league playing with the league mvp and ROY and only had to win 2 series a year for 8 titles to get a title. From the 1980's forward you needed to win 4 series a year to win a title. Russell for his 11 titles won 25 series. From the 80's forward you needed to win 24 series to win 6 titles.

ok so? He 8-peated.