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Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
Crazy, it's almost as if Op never heard of the term outlier. Look it up. Profit.
164 games is an outlier?
Go back to school bud
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.
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Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by Smoke117
I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.
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Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
No one was jacking up 3s in those days not to mention because teams weren't shooting as many 3s there was less of an incentive to jack them up in the first place
It made perfect sense then and still makes sense now to focus on the easiest 2 you can get, preferably via layups/dunks as it was unlikely a team would just run up the score like you can often see today where you often need to shoot 3s in order to catch up
Jordan had a ton of games where he only attempted 1 or 2 3s, he's only had 343 games (out of 1251 total games, so 27.4%) where he took 3 or more per game and that's counting the years where the line was shortened where he obviously took more than usual. A lot of times he would go 0 for 1 or 0 for 2 and call it a day as far as 3s went, but in today's game where it's highly encouraged to keep shooting them there's little doubt he would have had more moments like game 1 of the 1992 finals
If you look at the games from his rookie year up until 1993, the games where he attempted 6 or more, he shot 76/191, or 39.8% in those games
Now obviously he would not shoot 40% of his 3s if he jacked up 8 or 10 in those days (in a vacuum, with little adjustment to modern basketball philosophy), some of those below 6 games could have been games where he was REALLY off, but some of them probably could have gone from 0/3 or 0/4 to 5/9 or 6/12 if he played today. What it does show is that if he played in an era where it was more acceptable he would have more of these heat checks, 30 footers, crazy shots we see in today's game.
There just wasn't as much of a reason in those days and that's one thing a lot of millenials and Zers do not understand when comparing eras
Last edited by Mr.GOAT2408; 04-25-2019 at 03:07 AM.
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9x All Defensive 1st
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by Smoke117
I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.
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NBA All-star
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
sample size as usual is the issue with a lot of your stuff. 3 playoff series is nothing. If we only watched Harden in the playoffs last year, we think he was an awful 3 pt shooter and he's obviously not. I'm definitely willing to consider your point with the 35% and 38% from 3 for 2 full seasons. However dont think 36.5% is too special even if it is good and dont think MJ would focus on it when it's the weakest part of his game.
Someone mentioned outliers and he was actually right. Everyone knows about Mj's game 1 vs the blazers where he went 6/10. You take that away and he's 18/47 or 38% which is more in line with his regular season numbers. That's the problem with a small sample of 17 games, an outlier can great affect the average.
Also keep in mind a large majority of his 3's were spotups at least based on phila's synergy stats. That's just not the case for star players today, even guys who arent great 3pt shooters. If MJ was taking a lot 3's in isos or off the dribble etc, it's logical to assume that 3pt% is dropping.
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Our Lord & Savior
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
He didn't want to try in 1997 playoffs? 3.5 attempts 19% from 3
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Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
He didn't want to try in 1997 playoffs? 3.5 attempts 19% from 3
What about him shooting 35.2% from 3 from 85-93 Playoffs at 2.2 a game? One bad playoff run at age 34 means he wasn't a capable shooter from the original 3PT line? He couldn't buy a 3 in the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs but shot 32% from 3 at 4.2 attempts in the Finals that year. He clearly had 3PT range even in that era.
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Manute Bol went 6 for 6 from 3 in a game once. Therefore if Manute "wanted to" he would have been a great 3 point shooter
OP mentality
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by Mr.GOAT2408
No one was jacking up 3s in those days not to mention because teams weren't shooting as many 3s there was less of an incentive to jack them up in the first place
It made perfect sense then and still makes sense now to focus on the easiest 2 you can get, preferably via layups/dunks as it was unlikely a team would just run up the score like you can often see today where you often need to shoot 3s in order to catch up
Jordan had a ton of games where he only attempted 1 or 2 3s, he's only had 343 games (out of 1251 total games, so 27.4%) where he took 3 or more per game and that's counting the years where the line was shortened where he obviously took more than usual. [COLOR="Navy"]A lot of times he would go 0 for 1 or 0 for 2 and call it a day as far as 3s went, but in today's game where it's highly encouraged to keep shooting them there's little doubt he would have had more moments like game 1 of the 1992 finals
[COLOR="DarkRed"]If you look at the games from his rookie year up until 1993, the games where he attempted 6 or more, he shot 76/191, or 39.8% in those games[/COLOR][/COLOR]
Now obviously he would not shoot 40% of his 3s if he jacked up 8 or 10 in those days (in a vacuum, with little adjustment to modern basketball philosophy), some of those below 6 games could have been games where he was REALLY off, but some of them probably could have gone from 0/3 or 0/4 to 5/9 or 6/12 if he played today. What it does show is that if he played in an era where it was more acceptable he would have more of these heat checks, 30 footers, crazy shots we see in today's game.
There just wasn't as much of a reason in those days and that's one thing a lot of millenials and Zers do not understand when comparing eras
So mj was a 40% three-point shooter at high volume over a large sample?
I told you guys so..
Anytime he tried, he was an elite 3-poibt shooter - and he was just dabbling in threes and using weak offensive strategy to GET those threes. He'd crush today's offenses desinged to maximize threes and open looks
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Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by 3ball
So mj was a 40% three-point shooter at high volume over a large sample?
I told you guys so..
Anytime he tried, he was an elite 3-poibt shooter - and he was just dabbling in threes and using weak offensive strategy to GET those threes. He'd crush today's offenses desinged to maximize threes and open looks
Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal...
Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington?
18% followed by 29% from 3 point land.
If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29%
Your move cupcake
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Manute Bol went 6 for 6 from 3. Therefore if he "wanted to" he'd be a great 3 point shooter
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by SpaceJam2
Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal...
Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington?
18% followed by 29% from 3 point land.
If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29%
Your move cupcake
Victory itt.... anytime GOAT haters evoke the wizards years...
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers
Originally Posted by 3ball
Another delusional Jordan tactic. Pretend Jordan's Wizard career never existed.
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