Is Scottie Pippen the greatest #2 option of all-time?

[Celtics 1825]

What would you consider the Golden State situation? For me I just can't possibly call KD or Curry a 2nd option. I still see them both as 1st options even though they're on the same team since they're both the go-to scorers and get similar amount of touches and shots.

[3ball]

Career PPG Playoffs

Jordan...... 33.5


Iverson..... 29.7
West......... 29.1
Lebron...... 28.9
Durant...... 28.8
Barry......... 27.3
Elgin......... 27.0
Gervin...... 26.5
Curry........ 26.0
Hakeem... 25.9

Notice how the gap between #1 and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #10... MJ was an EXCEPTION as a scorer - he stands alone.

But the thing that really demonstrates how goat his scoring skill was is that he fit goat scoring into a system and didn't dominate the ball.. .. ..

[3ball]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]You really think Kyrie would be as valuable on those Bulls teams as Pippen was?
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Context and player fit matters. Pippen is a much better second option for Jordan, while Kyrie is a much better second option for LeBron. If you swapped them, both teams definitely get worse

Pippen made MJ score goat amounts (see previous post)

That's isn't an optimally built team - it's never optimal to have 1 guy score much more than everyone in history

Otoh, Kyrie would take the load off so MJ could focus on other areas and the team could have better balance - Jordan's 6 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2.5 steals would increase even more
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So instead of 33.5/6/6 averages, it would be about 30/8/8 and the team would have even stronger teamwork... And absolutely deadly in the clutch - pick your poison - teams would fear the bulls more
.

[red1]

3ball after all of the evidence you've provided I'm considering bumping scottie up all-time into the top 20 or 30...

[3ball]

Career PPG Playoffs

Jordan...... 33.5


Iverson..... 29.7
West......... 29.1
Lebron...... 28.9
Durant...... 28.8
Barry......... 27.3
Elgin......... 27.0
Gervin...... 26.5
Curry........ 26.0
Hakeem... 25.9

Notice how the gap between #1 and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #10... MJ was an EXCEPTION as a scorer - he stands alone.

But the thing that really demonstrates how goat his scoring skill was is that he fit goat scoring into a system and didn't dominate the ball.. .. ..

3ball after all of the evidence you've provided I'm considering bumping scottie up all-time into the top 20 or 30...

Pippen made MJ score goat amounts (see the stats above)

That's isn't an optimally built team - it's never optimal to have 1 guy score much more than everyone in history

Otoh, Kyrie would take the load off so MJ could focus on other areas and the team could have better balance - Jordan's 6 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2.5 steals would increase even more
.
So instead of 33.5/6/6 averages, it would be about 30/8/8 and the team would have even stronger teamwork... And absolutely deadly in the clutch - pick your poison - teams would fear the bulls more..

[Vino24]

Brandon Ingraham is the GOAT 2nd option

[3ball]

Brandon Ingraham is the GOAT 2nd option

Better than 89' Pippen easily

And that's an obvious fact

[Vino24]

Better than 89' Pippen easily

And that's an obvious fact

[3ball]

Better ball-handler than pippen ever was

Better shooter, scorer and playmaker than 89' Pippen

Better stats than 89' Pippen

89' pippen sucked and averaged 14/6/3, and alot worse in playoffs (9 on 40% in ecf)

[Vino24]

Better ball-handler than pippen ever was

Better shooter, scorer and playmaker than 89' Pippen

Better stats than 89' Pippen

89' pippen sucked and averaged 14/6/3, and alot worse in place (9 on 40% in ecf)

I went to every Bulls game in 89. This is false. Were you even born in 89?

[SpaceJam2]

I answered your post comprehensively

Accept that your OP was dumb and numerous other posters have already crushed you itt..

what did SouthBeach say?... "Not even close"..

Don't try and run now...Focus. You're jumping around, fizzling out, so I'll simplify it for you.

Post the best #2 options 3-year FINALS stats.

You made a poor attempt by posting Wade and used 2011, which does not fit the criteria because Wade was clearly the #1 option. This means the stats are inflated because you used 2011, 2012, 2013 when it should've been 2012, 2013, 2014 but the best part is even in doing so, even by cheating and using 2011 you still proved Pippen was better.

"Wade averaged 24/6/5 in the 11-13 Finals." - 3ball

But...Pippen was still better

Pippen averaged 21/9/7/2/1 on 46% and better than MJ defense. Or is MJ not a good DPOY defender anymore?

Tick-tock...

[SpaceJam2]

Brandon Ingraham is the GOAT 2nd option

Good answer Vino, I like your style

[SpaceJam2]

Don't try and run now...Focus. You're jumping around, fizzling out, so I'll simplify it for you.

Post the best #2 options 3-year FINALS stats.

You made a poor attempt by posting Wade and used 2011, which does not fit the criteria because Wade was clearly the #1 option. This means the stats are inflated because you used 2011, 2012, 2013 when it should've been 2012, 2013, 2014 but the best part is even in doing so, even by cheating and using 2011 you still proved Pippen was better.

"Wade averaged 24/6/5 in the 11-13 Finals." - 3ball

But...Pippen was still better

Pippen averaged 21/9/7/2/1 on 46% and better than MJ defense. Or is MJ not a good DPOY defender anymore?

Tick-tock...

Anyone?

[kennethgriffen]

lebrons 3rd options were pippens

[superduper]

lebrons 3rd options were pippens

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html