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    Default Re: Lebron james is still the best player in the world

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    I don't either but setting it arbitrarily at 25 plus attempts?
    [COLOR="Red"]Players with 25+ attempts on 45% fg (excluding Wilt):[/COLOR]


    Regular Season:

    Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
    Rick Barry:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1967, 1975
    Bob McAdoo:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 1975
    George Gervin: 1982
    Kobe Bryant:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 2006
    Elgin Baylor:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 1963
    Tiny Archibald: 1973
    Dominique:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1988


    Playoffs (10 game min):

    *Michael Jordan:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
    Elgin Baylor:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 1960, 1961, 1968
    Bob McAdoo:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 1974, 1975
    George Gervin:[COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR] 1975, 1982
    Jerry West:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1966
    Rick Barry:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1977
    Hakeem Olajuwon:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 1995
    Kobe Bryant:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 2007
    Dominique:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1988
    Allen Iverson:[COLOR="White"]........[/COLOR] 2005
    Kareem Jabbar:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1975


    * Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


    High volume by itself might dictate pace, but it can't win... High volume AND high efficiency is what devastates teams.. Of course, achieving high volume at high efficiency [COLOR="Navy"]while winning a championship[/COLOR] requires the most skill - the player must achieve the high volume at high efficiency within a team concept, without diminishing the stats of teammates.

    The only players reach the holy grail of skill by shooting high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship (25+ FGA on 45%+ during the playoffs) were MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. It's crazy - sometimes we forget how skilled Hakeem eventually became.

    [COLOR="Navy"]In MJ's case, when you compare his [COLOR="green"]per 100 stats[/COLOR] to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:[/COLOR]

    JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/color] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
    LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
    DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
    KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
    WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

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    Default Re: Lebron james is still the best player in the world

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    [COLOR="Red"]Players with 25+ attempts on 45% fg (excluding Wilt):[/COLOR]


    Regular Season:

    Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
    Rick Barry:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1967, 1975
    Bob McAdoo:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 1975
    George Gervin: 1982
    Kobe Bryant:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 2006
    Elgin Baylor:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 1963
    Tiny Archibald: 1973
    Dominique:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1988


    Playoffs (10 game min):

    *Michael Jordan:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
    Elgin Baylor:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 1960, 1961, 1968
    Bob McAdoo:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 1974, 1975
    George Gervin:[COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR] 1975, 1982
    Jerry West:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1966
    Rick Barry:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1977
    Hakeem Olajuwon:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 1995
    Kobe Bryant:[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR] 2007
    Dominique:[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR] 1988
    Allen Iverson:[COLOR="White"]........[/COLOR] 2005
    Kareem Jabbar:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 1975


    * Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


    High volume by itself might dictate pace, but it can't win... High volume AND high efficiency is what devastates teams.. Of course, achieving high volume at high efficiency [COLOR="Navy"]while winning a championship[/COLOR] requires the most skill - the player must achieve the high volume at high efficiency within a team concept, without diminishing the stats of teammates.

    The only players reach the holy grail of skill by shooting high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship (25+ FGA on 45%+ during the playoffs) were MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. It's crazy - sometimes we forget how skilled Hakeem eventually became.

    [COLOR="Navy"]In MJ's case, when you compare his [COLOR="green"]per 100 stats[/COLOR] to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:[/COLOR]

    JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/color] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
    LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
    DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
    KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
    WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts
    doe I want to make a campaign for you on realgm. They are just to blinded in their lebron worship to truly understand your posts

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