Is Wilt Chamberlain a top 10 player of all-time?

[Eric Cartman]

Top 6-7 seems about right.

Above him: Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird

[Gwin631]

Shaq is 41, who cares if he's not making an all-nba team? He made 8 all-nba first teams in his prime as a center, while having to battle Hakeem and Robinson in their primes for the sole all-nba first team center spot in the 90's. If Duncan was listed as a center in Shaq's prime, you think he'll be making first teams over Shaq? How many 30+ ppg playoff runs did Duncan have? How about adding 15 rpg along with 30 ppg? How many times has Duncan repeated? Duncan struggled to score 25. Shaq would get 40 in the Finals if he wanted in his prime.

How is Wilt in the top 10 and Shaq isnt? Shaq has 4 titles to Wilt's 2. Shaq was by far the superior player in the playoffs and finals over Wilt and it isnt even close in that department.

Arguing Duncan over Shaq is easy, Duncan might not have had the outburst tha Shaq had, with the current 13+ years of 50 consecutive wins, in the ever tough Western Conference means he is the model of consistency. He may not have repeated, but he's never had an All NBA first team star to play with at their prime.
Oh and in Shaqs "Dominance" he has one MVP to show for it, while AI had one, KG had one and The underrated Timmy had 2 MVPs. Btw, though Shaq has more head to head regular season wins 18-14, they are tied in the playoffs and Duncan (25.6PPG, 13REB, 3.8AST, .9 STLs, and 2.4 BLK) outshines Shaqs (22.4 , 12.4, 2.2, 0.7 and 2.8 respectively.
All this and I didn't touch on free throws yet. I'll talk about wilt tomorrow, too sleepy.

[aj1987]

Shaq over Duncan? While Shaquille is with Charles Barkley on TNT, Duncan is STILL making all NBA first team.

Shaq started playing in '92 and Duncan started playing in '97. Are you actually being serious with this post?

Shaq over Bird? Larry Legend shoot circles around Shaquille and yet pulled about 10 rebounds in his career, he had a short career but like shaq, was instrumental in 3 rings and it wasn't against Jason Kidd or Reggie miller.

Do you not remember the Lakers beating the Spurs, Kings and Trailblazers?

Shaq over Wilt? any historian will tell you how much more dominant Wilt was in his era than Shaq is in his era.

Who give a shit? That's just an opinion and IMO, Shaq would destroy Wilt. Shaq played against better competition as well.

Hakeem has multiple moves in his arsenal offensively than Shaq did in his and was an elite defender.
And Kobe was instrumental in the success of Shaq, he helped keep defenders honest while Shaq Dominated

Kobe played with Shaq against Hakeem? Good to know.

Even with his "limited" skill set, a 3rd year Shaq averaged 28/12/6/3 on 60% against the "elite defender", Hakeem.

Shaq is in my top 12 but he was not as dominant as he should have been , played 75 % of the season 11 of his 19 seasons and was on the decline after the 03-04 season.

Doesn't that work against Bird and Duncan as well? Shaq averaged 28/12/3 on 58% over his first 11 year. Shaq even has better overall career averages than Duncan, and he player 3 years more than him.

4x Champion
3x FMVP
1x MVP
Career average of 24/11/3/2 on 58% (over 19 seasons, btw).

Shaq > Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Wilt and Kobe.

[aj1987]

Arguing Duncan over Shaq is easy, Duncan might not have had the outburst tha Shaq had, with the current 13+ years of 50 consecutive wins, in the ever tough Western Conference means he is the model of consistency. He may not have repeated, but he's never had an All NBA first team star to play with at their prime.

Duncan had David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Bruce Bowen. Lets not act like Duncan did everything by himself.

Oh and in Shaqs "Dominance" he has one MVP to show for it, while AI had one, KG had one and The underrated Timmy had 2 MVPs.

Lebron has 4 MVP's. I guess Lebron >>> Kobe, Timmy, Hakeem, Bird, and Magic.

Btw, though Shaq has more head to head regular season wins 18-14, they are tied in the playoffs and Duncan (25.6PPG, 13REB, 3.8AST, .9 STLs, and 2.4 BLK) outshines Shaqs (22.4 , 12.8, 2.2, 0.7 and 2.8 respectively.
All this and I didn't touch on free throws yet. I'll talk about wilt tomorrow, too sleepy.

Shaq played 5 games when he was in Phoenix. A 36 year old Shaq against a 31 year old Duncan. Also, Shaq was more efficient than Duncan. I like how you left that part out.


EDIT: The most important stat of all, Shaq's teams beat Duncan's 3-2 in the playoffs.

[TheCorporation]

The last five on your list is below wilt and Shaquille falls out of the top 10.

Wilt over Shaq?

[bdreason]

I have Wilt a #4 all-time, but the more I learn about him, the more I actually consider moving him down a couple notches.

[Greg Oden 50]

Wilt over Shaq?

shaq dominant when dream,ewing,robonson getting old.........weak competition against 2nd tier rik simits,mutombo

[Greg Oden 50]

wilt >>>>>>>>>>> kobe

[Greg Oden 50]

kobe is top 10 at best

[Marchesk]

What puts Wilt in the top 5 is that he did things nobody has even done. It's not just about rewriting the record book, which still has his name all over it. It's understood that pace, rules and strategies change over time.

It's his dominance in several categories which nobody in history has replicated. For all the talk of how versatile Oscar, Magic and Lebron are, nobody has done the following but Wilt:

Lead the league in scoring (7 times), rebounding (11 times), assists (1 time), FG% (9 times). And if they had kept blocks, we all know Wilt would have led the league in that category multiple times also. Wilt is the only center in history to lead the league in assists. It would be akin to CP3 leading the league in rebounding.

Wilt is the only player to shoot 72.7 FG% for a season.

You can cite Shaq for FG%, but how many times did he lead the league in rebounding or scoring?

You can cite Jordan for scoring and steals, Magic for assists, Magic, Oscar and Lebron for tripple doubles, but again they never led the league in more than two categories.

As for all-time, Wilt is 5th in scoring, second in career average to MJ, and 1st in rebounding. He would be 1 or 2 in blocks, if that had been kept.

Can you imagine a big today leading the league in scoring, rebounding, FG% and shot blocking? You think Lebron is getting an MVP over that?

Statistically, there has never been anyone as dominant as Wilt. It's not even close, and that's not trolling. It's factual.

[TheCorporation]

shaq dominant when dream,ewing,robonson getting old.........weak competition against 2nd tier rik simits,mutombo

And how did Mr. 2-Ring choker do against his "powerful" 6'8 white guy competition???

[TheCorporation]

What puts Wilt in the top 5 is that he did things nobody has even done. It's not just about rewriting the record book, which still has his name all over it. It's understood that pace, rules and strategies change over time.

It's his dominance in several categories which nobody in history has replicated. For all the talk of how versatile Oscar, Magic and Lebron are, nobody has done the following but Wilt:

Lead the league in scoring (8 times), rebounding (11 times), assists (1 time), FG% (9 times). And if they had kept blocks, we all know Wilt would have led the league in that category multiple times also.

You can cite Shaq for FG%, but how many times did he lead the league in rebounding or scoring?

You can cite Jordan for scoring and steals, Magic for assists, Magic, Oscar and Lebron for tripple doubles, but again they never led the league in more than two categories.

And they also never got a quad-double, which Wilt did, unofficially.

Statistically, there has never been anyone as dominant as Wilt. It's not even close, and that's not trolling. It's factual.

Wilt's competition:

[Marchesk]

Wilt's competition:

[Psileas]

Is Wilt Chamberlain a top 1 player of all-time?

He's definitely up there.

[Greg Oden 50]

And how did Mr. 2-Ring choker do against his "powerful" 6'8 white guy competition???

how about karrem abdul jabbar,old wilt can still compete with young kareem