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Old 01-10-2019, 06:55 PM   #31
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You’re mixing two together. Nobody denies that Russian government officials tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Lol, have you not been following this soap opera from the beginning? Conservatives and conservative media from Fox News to Breitbart have long denied that Russian government officials tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign and have only come around to begrudgingly acknowledging bits and pieces as more links and information has been uncovered and released. At the very beginning of all of this, they even argued that any Russian interference in the election was simply aimed at sowing general confusion and discord and not intended to help the Trump campaign. I have a few conservative acquaintances who are still saying that.

For two years, people have been asking how and why Manafort got the GOP to change the party platform in regards to Crimea, and Conservatives have been all "Um... well... so um... look... America first..." C'mon, let's not pretend that Conservatives weren't calling any and all inquiries into Russian meddling and Russian interactions with the Trump Campaign a witch hunt at the beginning, well before people started looking at Trump's finances. This stuff is way too fresh to pretend that everyone has acknowleged the reality of what took place during the 2016 election from the jump.

Also, you asked "who is even arguing that?" in response to "This is a gambit designed to undermine the argument that she and Russian officials have made." She and Russian officials have long denied that she has ties to the Russian government. Veselnitskaya again denied ties just a few weeks ago.

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First of all, I don’t care if they had contact with a thousand Russian officials. That in itself doesn’t matter. Trump had dealings with the Mexican government, including the Mexican president during the campaign. I believe he had contacts with the Israeli government and probably many other countries.

Did either of those countries or any others take steps to interfer in our election? Did any of them try to infiltrate the Trump of Clinton campaigns? If so, the actions of Israel, Mexico, and others should be investigated as well. Are we really equating Mexico with Russia here? Is that what we're doing now?

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Stop trying to pretend that ‘contact’ in itself is a problem. It’s not. If something illegal happened, it’s a problem. If it didn’t, it’s fine.

You can’t just keep guessing that maybe there was a deal between Trump and Russia to release stolen emails. Obama directly had contact with Putin during the 2016 election. I can also just guess that Obama told Putin to do it. But at some point, you have to have actual evidence or you’re just pushing stupid conspiracy theories.

I'm simply commenting on what we know concerning the news and documents that have been released and what we know the Mueller investigation is looking into. We have Don Jr. meeting with a Russian in hopes of getting dirt on Clinton. We have him exchanging messages with Wikileaks about e-mails hacked by Russians. We have Stone and Corsi talking to Wikileaks and even coordinating with them about the release of Russian hacked e-mails designed to damage Clinton at a time most beneficial for Trump. We have Manafort sharing polling data with Ukranian oligarchs connected to Russia. We have Flynn discussion the easing of US sactions on Russia with Russians. We have Cohen working on Tump Tower Moscow during the election. Separately, we have Butina and Paul Erickson helping Russia make inroads with the NRA.

Some or all of this may have been completely innocent, but all require investigation. All of those items were labeled conspiracy theories by members on the right from the get go.

Let's be real... Mexico and Israel need to ramp up their efforts of they want to catch up to Russia.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:15 PM   #32
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Hillary Clinton had “contacts” with Harvey Weinstein. I don’t assume she was involved in his crimes. If there was specific evidence that she did, that would be something. But simply having “contacts” with him is not even close to being a sensible reason to randomly assume that she was involved in his wrongdoing.

In 2012, China relentlessly hacked the Romney campaign to the point that they had to disconnect all their servers. Being that Obama was the president, he obviously had direct “contacts” with the Chinese government. I don’t assume that Obama colluded with China to hack Romney.
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In 2012, China relentlessly hacked the Romney campaign to the point that they had to disconnect all their servers. Being that Obama was the president, he obviously had direct “contacts” with the Chinese government. I don’t assume that Obama colluded with China to hack Romney.
Was Obama trying to build a skyscraper in Beijing? Did he need to curry favor with Xi Jinping to get permission to build this Obama tower?
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:06 PM   #34
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Hillary Clinton had “contacts” with Harvey Weinstein. I don’t assume she was involved in his crimes. If there was specific evidence that she did, that would be something. But simply having “contacts” with him is not even close to being a sensible reason to randomly assume that she was involved in his wrongdoing.

Did Clinton have contact with Harvey Weinstein around matters concerning his sexual behavior? If so, that would be analogous, because members of the Trump team had contact with Russians concerning the Russians' desire to help the Trump campaign.

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In 2012, China relentlessly hacked the Romney campaign to the point that they had to disconnect all their servers. Being that Obama was the president, he obviously had direct “contacts” with the Chinese government. I don’t assume that Obama colluded with China to hack Romney.

Did anyone from the Obama campaign meet with the Chinese to get dirt on Romney? Did anyone direct Wikileaks as to when to release dirt hacked by the Chinese on Romney? Did the Democrats mysteriously change any of the items of their party platform to favor the Chinese? Did Jim Messina share any polling data with intermediaries connected to the Chinese?

Again, it's possible that all of the engagements with the Russians were innocent, but given the fact that the Russians meddled in the 2016 election and that several individuals connected to the Trump campaign had interactions with the Russians around questionable matters, I think the current inquiries and investigations are well justified.
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller and other federal prosecutors have been questioning witnesses about a number of Ukrainian lawmakers and business figures who attended President Donald Trump’s inauguration events and promoted “peace plans” that would ease sanctions against Russia, The New York Times reports. At least a dozen Ukrainian political and business figures reportedly attended the inaugural events and attended meetings with Republican lawmakers and allies of Trump—and some of them are thought to have been pitching plans to ease Russia sanctions. Prosecutors have reportedly asked witnesses about how the Ukrainians gained access to the events, who they met with, what they discussed at meetings, and “various peace plan proposals.”

Andrii Artemenko, who attended the inauguration events as a Ukrainian member of Parliament, told the Times he was interviewed by Mueller and the FBI twice and testified before Mueller’s grand jury. After the inauguration, Artemenko reportedly met with Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen and Trump’s ex-business partner Felix Sater to discuss a peace plan that would drop sanctions against Russia. Days later, the White House reportedly asked the State Department and Congress about what would be required to ease sanctions. News of prosecutors' focus on Ukrainian lawmakers comes after Paul Manafort’s lawyers accidentally revealed that he communicated about a Russia-Ukrainian peace plan with Konstantin Kilimnik, who is thought to have ties to Russian intelligence.

speaking of easing sanctions/collusion- money mnuchin's day in front of the crooked dems did not seem to make maga's move to remove sanctions on oleg deripaska's companies any more reasonable in the dems' minds.

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She said Mnuchin mostly read from an unclassified document and “barely testified at all.”
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:31 PM   #36
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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, took over the inquiry into Mr. Trump when he was appointed, days after F.B.I. officials opened it. That inquiry is part of Mr. Mueller’s broader examination of how Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Trump associates conspired with them. It is unclear whether Mr. Mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter, and some former law enforcement officials outside the investigation have questioned whether agents overstepped in opening it.

The criminal and counterintelligence elements were coupled together into one investigation, former law enforcement officials said in interviews in recent weeks, because if Mr. Trump had ousted the head of the F.B.I. to impede or even end the Russia investigation, that was both a possible crime and a national security concern. The F.B.I.’s counterintelligence division handles national security matters.

If the president had fired Mr. Comey to stop the Russia investigation, the action would have been a national security issue because it naturally would have hurt the bureau’s effort to learn how Moscow interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Americans were involved, according to James A. Baker, who served as F.B.I. general counsel until late 2017. He privately testified in October before House investigators who were examining the F.B.I.’s handling of the full Russia inquiry.

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In the months before the 2016 election, the F.B.I. was also already investigating four of Mr. Trump’s associates over their ties to Russia. The constellation of events disquieted F.B.I. officials who were simultaneously watching as Russia’s campaign unfolded to undermine the presidential election by exploiting existing divisions among Americans.

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F.B.I. officials viewed their decision to move quickly as validated when a comment the president made to visiting Russian officials in the Oval Office shortly after he fired Mr. Comey was revealed days later.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

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Old 01-11-2019, 10:56 PM   #37
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CLEARLY what we’re seeing is confirmation bias in the media. They WANT collusion to be true so badly that they’re sloppy and willing to believe ANYTHING that goes in that direction.

The same could be said about most of the retards in this thread.

Also, let's not forget that OP is DonDadda who had to leave the forum in 2016 because of all the fake shit he was posting in the lead-up to the election. Clearly history is repeating itself here.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:28 PM   #38
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Senate intel committee grilling ex-Trump campaign members in Russia probe

Investigators asked former Trump aide Sam Nunberg about the president's business dealings and how he formulated his policies toward Moscow.

Senate intelligence committee investigators are interviewing former members of President Donald Trump's campaign as they hunt for evidence of possible collusion with Russia, asking one witness Friday fresh questions about the president's business dealings and how he formulated his policies toward Moscow.

Sam Nunberg, who worked for Trump and his campaign in 2015, said he was questioned in a closed-door session on Capitol Hill about Trump's trip to Moscow in 2013, his company's interest in building a tower there and specific relationships between past members of the campaign and foreign actors who may have worked with Russia.

"They are doing an exhaustive investigation," Nunberg told NBC News after his interview, which he said appeared to be "narrowly focused on collusion."

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Staff on the Senate committee, which is chaired by Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina, continued Friday in a closed door interview to press that line of inquiry.

Investigators went through a "check list" of questions, Nunberg said, including whether he had been aware of any conversations or relationships during his time with Trump regarding Russian banks, Russian oligarchs or business dealings with Russia.

Nunberg, who sat with committee staff for four and half hours, said he was asked repeatedly about how Trump formulated his policy positions regarding Russia. Trump has voiced support for numerous foreign policy positions beneficial to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Nunberg said he told the committee that Trump, as a candidate, said "he would take the position that he was happy Russia was in Syria."

Also of interest to investigators, Nunberg said, was the campaign's relationship with the National Rifle Association and efforts by a Russian national to get a meeting with Trump through the NRA. Nunberg says he told investigators Friday that he was aware of efforts by Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty last month to conspiring with a Russian official to interfere in American politics, to seek a meeting with Trump, using the NRA as a conduit.

Investigators also peppered Nunberg with questions which suggested to him that they were trying to pin down specific relationships among members of Trump's campaign and organization and outside actors, including Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

Among the other topics raised Friday, Nunberg said, were the 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in New York with Trump Jr, Manafort, Kushner and a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer offering them the promise of "dirt" on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton; Trump's travel to Moscow in 2013 for the Miss Universe pageant; the company's interest in building a tower in the Russian capital.

Nunberg said he was surprised by the interest in a Moscow tower since the campaign's official position was that it would not seek new foreign deals. Nunberg said he was asked to review public statements, emails, tweets and text messages obtained by investigators related to potential Russian interference.

Nunberg described the committee's investigation as professional and bipartisan. "If I were the White House, I would be concerned," said Nunberg, who joined the campaign early but was fired in August 2015 after racially charged Facebook posts were uncovered. He later apologized.

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Old 01-12-2019, 01:33 AM   #39
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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation...

In the months before the 2016 election, the F.B.I. was also already investigating four of Mr. Trump’s associates over their ties to Russia. The constellation of events disquieted F.B.I. officials who were simultaneously watching as Russia’s campaign unfolded to undermine the presidential election by exploiting existing divisions among Americans.

I guess I'm not the only one somewhat disquieted by the "constellation of events" and Trump/Trump Campaign interactions with the Russians. Or maybe the FBI is easily taken with conspiracy theories as well.
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I guess I'm not the only one somewhat disquieted by the "constellation of events" and Trump/Trump Campaign interactions with the Russians. Or maybe the FBI is easily taken with conspiracy theories as well.

the way way back machine. from a crooked billary deep stater:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pS92ONVte8

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Sources confirm TWO grand juries have been convened just at Federal level. Make that THREE...

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https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/29/...-schneiderman/


looks like some of those sealed indictments from muells we've been hearing about the past few months may not all belong to him. they may go back to early-mid '17, before the manchurian candidate investigations were handed off to the osc.

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Julian Assange latest: WikiLeaks founder told to SURRENDER to US and face justice

Foreign Minister José Valencia FM Mundo’s office tweeted on Thursday: "The situation currently has two options for Mr. Assange, to stay indefinitely, or to surrender [to arrest and extradition the US] and we believe the latter (surrender) is the most positive for him".

Mr Valencia also warned Mr Assange that while he sought assurances from the UK that he would not face extradition, he “cannot continue insisting on something that will not happen.”

The minister stressed that Ecuador believed it would be “most positive” for Assange to leave the diplomatic compound and face the British law.

By extension he could face a possible extradition to the US.


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I guess I'm not the only one somewhat disquieted by the "constellation of events" and Trump/Trump Campaign interactions with the Russians. Or maybe the FBI is easily taken with conspiracy theories as well.
You’re aware of who was in charge at the FBI after Comey was fired, right?
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Its mindboggling how much information Mueller has. He pretty much hit the ground running, with months of counter intelligence data at his disposal before he even started the current investigation
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Its mindboggling how much information Mueller has. He pretty much hit the ground running, with months of counter intelligence data at his disposal before he even started the current investigation

“Much information” indeed, yet zero proof that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal an election. You idiots are going to need tangible policy ideas fast if you want to avoid another debacle like 2016. The clock is ticking and “muh Russia” ain’t going to cut it.
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Its mindboggling how much information Mueller has. He pretty much hit the ground running, with months of counter intelligence data at his disposal before he even started the current investigation

may 2017, just before muells was officially put in charge by the doj/rosenstein:

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By Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor

Separate sources with links to the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump.

While it is understood that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution means that, until Mr. Trump is impeached, he cannot be prosecuted, sources say that the indictment is intended by the FBI and prosecutors in the Justice Department to form the basis of Mr. Trump’s impeachment. The indictment is, perhaps uniquely, not intended or expected to be used for prosecution, sources say, because of the constitutional position of the President.

there's most likely also an indictment waiting on him for the cohen pornstar payoff scheme too.

the emperor will be running to stay out of prison, not just a second term.

best of luck to him.


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