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Old 08-19-2012, 03:33 AM   #16
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There was actual footage of Kareem's 40 point game against Hakeem on YouTube, but sadly, it has since been removed.

But we do have an LA Times article (thanks to PHILA BTW)...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=206575

Nice find, PHILA. Goddamnit, Bill Fitch haha

Any ideas on when he decided Sampson might be a better cover, with Hakeem doubling?
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:36 AM   #17
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Hakeem Olajuwon; 1993-95
RS: 27.0ppg / 12.0rpg / 3.6apg / 2.2spg / 3.8bpg / 3.3tpg / 0.525fg% / 0.751ft%
PO: 29.8ppg / 11.4rpg / 4.4apg / 1.5spg / 3.7bpg / 3.5tpg / 0.524fg% / 0.754ft%
1x MVP; 1x 2nd(1.680 total MVP share). 2x FMVP. 2x DPoY. 2x All-NBA 1st Team. 1x All-NBA 3rd Team. 2x All-Defensive 1st Team. | 2x NBA Finals. 2x Championship.

Shaquille O'Neal; 2000-02
RS: 28.6ppg / 12.4rpg / 3.5apg / 0.6spg / 2.6bpg / 3.1tpg / 0.575fg% / 0.529ft%
PO: 29.9ppg / 14.5rpg / 3.0apg / 0.5spg / 2.4bpg / 3.0tpg / 0.552fg% / 0.533ft%
1x MVP; 2x 3rd(2.016 total MVP share). 3x FMVP. 3x All-NBA 1st Team. 2x All-Defensive 2nd Team. | 3x NBA Finals. 3x Championship.

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Old 08-19-2012, 03:43 AM   #18
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Nice find, PHILA. Goddamnit, Bill Fitch haha

Any ideas on when he decided Sampson might be a better cover, with Hakeem doubling?

It is also interesting that Kareem and Hakeem line up directly in the boxscores, too.

Here are a couple of examples...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...512060LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...603160LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...602060HOU.html
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:46 AM   #19
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It is also interesting that Kareem and Hakeem line up directly in the boxscores, too.

Here are a couple of examples...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...512060LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...603160LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...602060HOU.html

Damn I knew Ralph was a beast but 32,9 and 9? Was he really that good of a passer? Or just one game deal?
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:53 AM   #20
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It is also interesting that Kareem and Hakeem line up directly in the boxscores, too.

Here are a couple of examples...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...512060LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...603160LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...602060HOU.html

Yeah, I guess, but Sampson and Magic line up in two of those, as well.
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:56 AM   #21
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Nice find, PHILA. Goddamnit, Bill Fitch haha

Any ideas on when he decided Sampson might be a better cover, with Hakeem doubling?

BTW, while I can't confirm if Gilmore was defended by Hakeem, or Sampson, Artis just DOMINATED the Rockets in the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons, and at ages 35 and 36. In their first TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, he averaged 23.7 ppg on .677 shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:01 AM   #22
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Haha, Jlauber is such a clown..

Yeah, you want to prove that a 36 year old Shaq dominated Olajuwon? Put a 36 year old Shaq vs a prime Olajuwon and you'll get the same result. People age..

And still you're the only retard on this forum who claims that Olajuwon got outplayed by Shaq in '95 because it fits your agenda. In every other case where you spam about your beloved Wilt you use cherry picked articles from the media to prove your point. Now go and find any media that actually gave Shaq the edge in the '95 series..

Even Shaq himself is the first one to tell everyone that he got outplayed, you're the only one who actually claims anything else.

And then again you spam about rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon having major problems guarding Kareem. But as always you "forget to mention that 2nd year pro Olajuwon absolutely destroyed Kareem in the '86 playoffs.

Your hatred towards Olajuwon is hilarious, you cherry pick certain events and stats to make him look bad, like his early games vs Jabbar (while never mentioning that Kareem got badly outplayed in the playoffs by 2nd year pro Olajuwon) or Hakeem at age 36 getting outplayed by Shaq..

I mean, you're a clown, can't you tell us some about your old quotes about that Bill Russell would be a Ben Wallace in the modern era..
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:03 AM   #23
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BTW, while I can't confirm if Gilmore was defended by Hakeem, or Sampson, Artis just DOMINATED the Rockets in the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons, and at ages 35 and 36. In their first TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, he averaged 23.7 ppg on .677 shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01


Haha, you try so hard..

So if you can't confirm it, it's obvious you use it because it fits your agenda.

And what's your obsession with rookie and 2nd year pro in meaningless regular season games?
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:13 AM   #24
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Acually, as dominating as this game proved, in which Shaq scored 37 points on 14-22 shooting against the helpless Hakeem...

think about this...

A 38-39 year old Kareem hung THREE games of 40+ on a 22-23 year old Hakeem, including a 46 point explosion in only 37 minutes.

Once again...a 38-39 YEAR OLD Kareem.

Exactly, there's nothing in between called prime.

So you're basically juding Hakeem's defense based on games from his rookie season and 2nd year as a pro and Hakeem as a 36 year old..
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:20 AM   #25
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Haha, you try so hard..

So if you can't confirm it, it's obvious you use it because it fits your agenda.

And what's your obsession with rookie and 2nd year pro in meaningless regular season games?

And yet you have NO proof to the contrary DESPITE the FACT that Hakeem AND Gilmore were listed as CENTERS.

As for meaningless games...yeah, let's brag about a center who led his team down in flames in the FIRST ROUND of the playoffs in EIGHT of his FIFTEEN post-seasons.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:25 AM   #26
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Haha, Jlauber is such a clown..

Yeah, you want to prove that a 36 year old Shaq dominated Olajuwon? Put a 36 year old Shaq vs a prime Olajuwon and you'll get the same result. People age..

And still you're the only retard on this forum who claims that Olajuwon got outplayed by Shaq in '95 because it fits your agenda. In every other case where you spam about your beloved Wilt you use cherry picked articles from the media to prove your point. Now go and find any media that actually gave Shaq the edge in the '95 series..

Even Shaq himself is the first one to tell everyone that he got outplayed, you're the only one who actually claims anything else.

And then again you spam about rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon having major problems guarding Kareem. But as always you "forget to mention that 2nd year pro Olajuwon absolutely destroyed Kareem in the '86 playoffs.

Your hatred towards Olajuwon is hilarious, you cherry pick certain events and stats to make him look bad, like his early games vs Jabbar (while never mentioning that Kareem got badly outplayed in the playoffs by 2nd year pro Olajuwon) or Hakeem at age 36 getting outplayed by Shaq..

I mean, you're a clown, can't you tell us some about your old quotes about that Bill Russell would be a Ben Wallace in the modern era..


Onced again, Hakeem did NOT guard Kareem in the '86 WCF's. Why? Because it was a proven FUTILITY.

And, you bragging about Hakeem outscoring a 39 year old Kareem by a 31-27 ppg margin? Or outshooting him by a .520 to .496 margin (thanks to Ralph BTW)?

Yet, you boast about a Hakeem whose TEAMMATES badly outplayed Shaq's TEAMMATES in the '95 Finals (and a YOUNG Shaq...younger than the Hakeem who was just SHELLED by an OLD Kareem)?

A Hakeem who had one teammmate who averaged 17 ppg and 10 rpg in that Finals, another who was at 21.5 ppg and 9.5 rpg, and yet another teammate who averaged 16.3 ppg, on get this... .629 shooting?

Whose teammates outshot Shaq's by HUGE margins from the field and the arc...and then OUTSCORED them by 50 points from the line?
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:32 AM   #27
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Onced again, Hakeem did NOT guard Kareem in the '86 WCF's. Why? Because it was a proven FUTILITY.

And, you bragging about Hakeem outscoring a 39 year old Kareem by a 31-27 ppg margin? Or outshooting him by a .520 to .496 margin (thanks to Ralph BTW)?

Yet, you boast about a Hakeem whose TEAMMATES badly outplayed Shaq's TEAMMATES in the '95 Finals (and a YOUNG Shaq...younger than the Hakeem who was just SHELLED by an OLD Kareem)?

A Hakeem who had one teammmate who averaged 17 ppg and 10 rpg in that Finals, another who was at 21.5 ppg and 9.5 rpg, and yet another teammate who averaged 16.3 ppg, on get this... .629 shooting?

Whose teammates outshot Shaq's by HUGE margins from the field and the arc...and then OUTSCORED them by 50 points from the line?

Haha, this is beyond retarded.

You put the players who fit the opponent the best, rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon was nowhere close the defender he was in his prime as a rookie and a 2nd year pro. And Olajuwon guarded him from time to time in that series as well.

And why are you talking about stats? Watch the freaking series, every single reporter who was covering made it clear that Olajuwon was killing the Lakers and Jabbar. And again you do it in cherry picked matters, you only mention the scoring, Olajuwon outplayed Jabbar in way more ways than just scoring the series.

And Hakeem Olajuwon outplayed Shaq in the '95 finals, other players aside, Hakeem Olajuwon OUTPLAYED Shaq and everyone knows it. You're the only on ISH who claims that it was the other way around, you use your cherry picked media finds when you try to prove something about Wilt.

Now go and find anyone but yourself who claims that Shaq outplayed Hakeem in '95.
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And yet you have NO proof to the contrary DESPITE the FACT that Hakeem AND Gilmore were listed as CENTERS.

As for meaningless games...yeah, let's brag about a center who led his team down in flames in the FIRST ROUND of the playoffs in EIGHT of his FIFTEEN post-seasons.

Wow, you're such a retard..

You're the one who mentions it in a try to discredit Olajuwon so you're the one who's supposed to prove that Olajuwon was actually guarding him.

And yeah, lets brag about Wilt who shrunk in the playoffs and only won two rings (one when Russell wasn't even around) and the other as a tied 2nd option on offense..
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:38 AM   #29
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Haha, this is beyond retarded.

You put the players who fit the opponent the best, rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon was nowhere close the defender he was in his prime as a rookie and a 2nd year pro. And Olajuwon guarded him from time to time in that series as well.

And why are you talking about stats? Watch the freaking series, every single reporter who was covering made it clear that Olajuwon was killing the Lakers and Jabbar. And again you do it in cherry picked matters, you only mention the scoring, Olajuwon outplayed Jabbar in way more ways than just scoring the series.

And Hakeem Olajuwon outplayed Shaq in the '95 finals, other players aside, Hakeem Olajuwon OUTPLAYED Shaq and everyone knows it. You're the only on ISH who claims that it was the other way around, you use your cherry picked media finds when you try to prove something about Wilt.

Now go and find anyone but yourself who claims that Shaq outplayed Hakeem in '95.

I don't need to "find" anyone. Shaq's TEAMMATES blew that series. Plain-and-simple.

They were BADKY outplayed and yet YOU have ALWAYS claimed that Hakeem had NO help in his Finals.

He had WAY more help than Shaq in THAT series, my friend.

Shaq's biggest mistake was passing the ball at all.
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Both were better than Wilt The Choker..
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