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Old 12-08-2006, 09:30 PM   #106
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You did not just go there, Shaq averaged around 13 rebounds and 3 blocks that season shooting around 58% from the field while being a force on both ends of the floor, he was the most dominant player of all-time during that period, and you're comparing him to Nash based on assist numbers?

im trying to understand the argument of the deluded nash haters who think he shoulndt win mvp because of his scoring average while they think kobe should win it based on scoring average
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:30 PM   #107
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11 assists translate into 22 points at least and up to 33 points if you consider 3pointers, in 00 shaq won mvp with 29 ppg and 3.8 apg.

nash averaged from 37 to 48 ppg considering his assists and shaq did from 37 to 41 ppg in 00 when he won mvp by a landslide, care to explain that ?
Oh... so now we should add assist numbers to re-calculate scoring totals???


What a genius! I nominate you as the smartest poster of the year!
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:30 PM   #108
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I donīt think people will really understand why Nash was MVP until a year or two after he retires. Right now, people still think its the system in Phoenix but once heīs done it will become clear that its not the system thats been getting players career numbers. As far as people saying that Diaw was producing in the games that Nash didnt play, thats a carry over effect. After a season of playing with Nash, your confidence is at an all time high, due to the number of good looks and layups you get. But if Nash was gone for an entire season, guys would return to their pre-Nash level.
Its under-rated what getting a couple open layups and threes will do to your overall confidence.
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:31 PM   #109
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just so im getting this straight dream you have just spent 7 pages arguing that nash deserved the mvp when you really feel that dirk deserved it?
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:32 PM   #110
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Oh... so now we should add assist numbers to re-calculate scoring totals???


What a genius! I nominate you as the smartest poster of the year!

so that's your rebuttal ? i was expecting something more from the idiot who thinks scoring average = mvp
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I donīt think people will really understand why Nash was MVP until a year or two after he retires. Right now, people still think its the system in Phoenix but once heīs done it will become clear that its not the system thats been getting players career numbers. As far as people saying that Diaw was producing in the games that Nash didnt play, thats a carry over effect. After a season of playing with Nash, your confidence is at an all time high, due to the number of good looks and layups you get. But if Nash was gone for an entire season, guys would return to their pre-Nash level.
Its under-rated what getting a couple open layups and threes will do to your overall confidence.
Explain marions and bells numbers being remarkably similar to pre nash and JJ going on to be better without nash...
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:33 PM   #112
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just so im getting this straight dream you have just spent 7 pages arguing that nash deserved the mvp when you really feel that dirk deserved it?

i have argued a billion times the only argument you can make is about dirk, i dont know how that overhyped pretender lebron james got into the mvp list and that coat-tail rider kobe bryant got into the list with 45 wins,

45 wins for the mvp ? :rollingeyes: nicccee
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:33 PM   #113
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so that's your rebuttal ? i was expecting something more from the idiot who thinks scoring average = mvp

You're right.

Scoring average + hair length.

Wait, Dirk STILL deserves it.
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:34 PM   #114
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maybe dirk getting wh0red by 1 ppg/1 rpg ryan bowen was still in the mind of the voters ?

i guess we'll never know, thats the only explanation i can find from a voter's pov.

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i have argued a billion times the only argument you can make is about dirk, i dont know how that overhyped pretender lebron james got into the mvp list and that coat-tail rider kobe bryant got into the list with 45 wins,

45 wins for the mvp ? :rollingeyes: nicccee
Just say dirk nowitzki deserved the mvp and well be good. Ill wonder why it took you so long to say this but thats not a big deal. Here the thing there is no argument for taking nash over dirk. So its not a well you can make an argument for dirk situation. Its a nash had no business winning situation which has been my point the entire thread.


BTW dont take my arguments in this thread the wrong way. I like nash. Always have(its from his time in dallas) but hes not as valuable as dirk. (or lebron ;)
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:37 PM   #116
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Yeah

I like Nash too...He is the best PG in the game today...and the best shooter in the league too

But, Dirk deserved MVP
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except for getting his ass kicked by the true best player in the league

maybe that softie dirk nowitzki getting wh0red by 1 ppg/1 rpg ryan bowen was still in the mind of the voters ?

i guess we'll never know.
Yeah dirk getting "whored" had nothing to do with him having bronchitis and getting routinely doubled and tripled which led to jason terry having a ton of open looks. But wait that would mean he made players better even though he didnt pile up assist numbers and nash groupies cant recognize that someone could "make someone else better" without piling up assist numbers.
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:39 PM   #118
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dirk did not deserve the award last year.

marion with an average pg would have no offense outside of offensive putbacks.
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You're right.

Scoring average + hair length.

Wait, Dirk STILL deserves it.
Classic.
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:40 PM   #120
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he made players better ?

the rockets lost juwan howard and started that scrub bowen which meant playing 4-on-5 against dallas, oyu can make all the arguments you want but a player shooting 30% is in fact getting owned, specially a superstar, specially a freakin PF !
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