Prime Grant Hill vs. current Carmelo Anthony

[magic chiongson]

prime grant hill could do everything. give him lerbon's body and he'd be goat level by now

[Duncan21formvp]

Prime Grant Hill... just a MUCH better all-round/overall player... seen him live at this best, he was kindof like a mix between Lebron-Pippen-Penny....

Prime Hill no contest.

[Lebron23]

Prime Hill no contest.

He never won a playoffs series in Detroit.

[Rake2204]

He never won a playoffs series in Detroit.

I don't find that particularly relevant in this discussion. To reiterate, this is a discussion of Prime Grant Hill versus Current Carmelo Anthony. Comparing career arcs becomes an entirely different ballgame.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of passing judgment on a player's entire game based on their team's success. At some point, it's up to the team being good. Sometimes teams won't succeed no matter how insanely awesome a single player may be (see Jordan scoring the most points in single playoff game history and still losing). Folks may see Detroit won 54 games in '97, but I always found that more amazing than expected. After Hill, their next in line was an old Joe Dumars, Lindsey Hunter, older Otis Thorpe, and Terry Mills. It's tough to expect playoff success when that's the lineup one is working with.

But again, I don't find that pertains to this discussion. If a person is someone who likes to judge individual ability heavily based off of playoff success, I suppose we'd have to wait and see what Current Carmelo does this year with a team that could be arguably more talented than any squad Hill ran with in Detroit. Key word is "arguably", for I am not trying to make any certain claims in that regard.

[plUto or bUst]

Carmelo is a system player who only thrives in an iso offense centered around him. Take him away from that and he'll pout and not play defense - just generally be ineffective.

Prime Grant Hill would thrive in any system. Much more versatile, could score, pass, rebound, play defense. Just a better all around player.

[kurple]

this and its only going to get better for carmelo.

or worse, at it has done this season

[jbryan1984]

Too many young ISHers only know of post injury Grant Hill.

[Xiao Yao You]

Too many young IShers buy into the Carmelo hype.

[WillC]

I find it incredible that some people think Carmelo Anthony is currently better than an in-his-prime Grant Hill.

Maybe the kids on this forum don't realise how good Grant Hill was.

Teams averaged less points in the 1990s due to the tougher defenses and the fact that defenders were allowed to hand check. Now, it is easier for players to score more freely.

Despite the tougher conditions, over a 5-year period between 1996 and 2000, Grant Hill averaged 21.9ppg, 8.1rpg, 6.5apg, 1.6spg and 0.6bpg on .476 FG%.

He was basically LeBron before LeBron.

Meanwhile, Carmelo Anthony should be compared to someone like Glenn Robinson - their style of play are much more comparable.

[GreatHILL]

prime grant hill was a triple double machine

[Nashty]

Prime Hill would be 2nd or 3rd best player in the league right now.

[get these NETS]

I don't find that particularly relevant in this discussion. To reiterate, this is a discussion of Prime Grant Hill versus Current Carmelo Anthony. Comparing career arcs becomes an entirely different ballgame.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of passing judgment on a player's entire game based on their team's success. At some point, it's up to the team being good. Sometimes teams won't succeed no matter how insanely awesome a single player may be (see Jordan scoring the most points in single playoff game history and still losing). Folks may see Detroit won 54 games in '97, but I always found that more amazing than expected. After Hill, their next in line was an old Joe Dumars, Lindsey Hunter, older Otis Thorpe, and Terry Mills. It's tough to expect playoff success when that's the lineup one is working with.

But again, I don't find that pertains to this discussion. If a person is someone who likes to judge individual ability heavily based off of playoff success, I suppose we'd have to wait and see what Current Carmelo does this year with a team that could be arguably more talented than any squad Hill ran with in Detroit. Key word is "arguably", for I am not trying to make any certain claims in that regard.

as the top scorer/player for his team....hill accomplished jack shit in the playoffs


as the top scorer/player for his team..melo has accomplished more



any way you slice it, this is true

[get these NETS]

Oh I get it.

Nice guy = soft

nah...simplistic way of looking at it

duncan is a "nice guy"....nba couldn't have created a better player in terms of being just a regular dude..but duncan is a killer when the pressure is on...

[Bigsmoke]

Prime Hill would be 2nd or 3rd best player in the league right now.

he wasnt 2nd or 3rd best ever in his career so why would he be now?

[Teanett]

Prime Grant Hill no question. Grant Hill at one time, was arguably the face of the NBA.

bullshit.
he was good but never as good/popular as jordan, pippen, shaq, kobe, kg, duncan, iverson, carter