Prime Iverson> Prime Kobe

[LosBulls]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

[tmacattack33]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

[imnew09]

LOL? We all know that Iverson was a ballhog as well, but has he ever put up 81 points? NOOOO

[LosBulls]

Answer my question.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Answer my question.

You didn't ask one, tw*t.

[kennethgriffin]

why is every positive kobe thread deleted and every anti-kobe thread left up


fu*ck ISH for letting these idiots run the forum

i think ive had my 2,000th post 30 times already because of jealous kobe hater mods

[Ne 1]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

I'd take 2001 Kobe over 2001 Iverson. In 8 games without Shaq, Kobe had 32/8/4 on 54 TS%, better values than Iverson that season. Kobe was easily the better defender and as much capable of leading a team on offense as Iverson. And we aren't even talking about peak Kobe here, but basically peak Iverson.

[Dragonyeuw]

This won't end well....

[MiamiThrice]

I'd take 2001 Kobe over 2001 Iverson. In 8 games without Shaq, Kobe had 32/8/4 on 54 TS%, better values than Iverson that season. Kobe was easily the better defender and as much capable of leading a team on offense as Iverson. And we aren't even talking about peak Kobe here, but basically peak Iverson.

From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
In ’01-02, LA went 7-8 (.467) when Shaq was out but Kobe played, 2-0 (1.000) when Kobe was out but Shaq played, and 49-16 (.754) together.

Overall the Lakers were 0-1 (.000) with both out, 13-12 (.520) with Shaq out, 28-6 (.823) with Kobe out , and 140-46 (.753) together.

Kobe was merely along for the ride. Without Shaq he would've been in the same place he was in 05,06,07 when he was on his own. The same position Iverson was for his entire career. Getting raped in the first round/missing the playoffs. The Lakers were Shaqs team and they performed even better when Kobe was out.

[chains5000]

No f*cking way.

[CavaliersFTW]

why is every positive kobe thread deleted and every anti-kobe thread left up


fu*ck ISH for letting these idiots run the forum

i think ive had my 2,000th post 30 times already because of jealous kobe hater mods

[blablabla]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

thats not prime kobe tho

[KobesFinger]

Putting Prime Iverson on the 01 Lakers is different to putting 23 year old Kobe on the 01 Sixers. A comparison is more accurate IMO:

Iverson WAS the Sixers' offense in '01, and as a result he averaged 31.1/3.8/4.6 on 42/32/81 shooting. He also had DPOY Dikembe Mutombo and 6th Man of the Year Aaron Mckie. Something I think was noteworthy is that he was 3rd in assists on the Sixers behind Eric Snow and McKie, and no other Sixer averaged more than 10FGA to Iverson's 25. He took that Sixers team to the Finals.

When Kobe was the Lakers' offense in '06 and '07, he averaged 33.5/5.5/4.9 on 45/34/86 shooting. His most productive teammate was Lamar Odom. In both years the Lakers lost to the Suns (54-28 in '06, 61-21 in '07). If he had had the 6th Man of the Year (Mike Miller in '06, Leandro Barbosa in '07) and the DPOY (Ben Wallace in '06, Marcus Camby in '07) in either year, one can only imagine how far the Lakers could've gone.

I'd take Kobe.

[GOBB]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

Iverson was not a defensively liability in his prime. Cut that nonsense out. Making up stuff.

[INDI]

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
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