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Old 11-20-2017, 03:33 AM   #16
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Default Re: Doc Rivers is the Most Overrated, Most Underachieving Coach in NBA History

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I didn't say they were better. But they were in position to win and they let LeBron get to the paint over and over. It wasn't a force of will by LeBron. He would have been happy missing 3s with space. But they put a slow PF on him nose to nose and no paint protection behind him. They did this over and over again late. I've never seen anything worse from a coach.

I can accept that, but the Spurs did that with Boris Diaw tho. I don't recall if Duncan was in the game protecting the paint in the meantime when Pop did that. At least I don't remember if he did it all the time.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:58 AM   #17
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Agreed. Been saying this for years.

In LA he got more backing then he should have by Ballmer cuz of the Sterling stuff.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:13 AM   #18
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Doc made good things happen 2008-2012, you cant rain on that.
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:10 AM   #19
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Doc is an above average coach that's recently lost his way and passion.

Doc in Orlando had Tracy Mcgrady and Darrell armstrong with a bunch of Pelican level NBA players. He maximized that team to its potential and along with Tmac got them to the playoffs.

Doc then faced some tumultous times with Boston culminating in a championship and 2 NBA finals appearances. When KG was out, he helped create a lane for Rondo to truly shine and become a big part of the offense.

Clippers have underachieved and part of it is him. Somewhere Doc lost his way and passion for coaching. He became a President and HC and he couldn't balance both.

When a team is super undisciplined, I question if the coach is too young and trying to be their friend or if he's just not caring anymore. I don't think Doc cares nearly as much. He's set for life and he's only 54.

Ultimately, Clippers brought in Jerry West to evaluate and clean out FO and roster. I expect Doc to step down(not fired) from the position and take 2-3 years off. He will do commentating and only come back if there's another potential contender that needs him.

Doc is not a bad coach at all. he has great timeout plays and adjustments. I'd say he's an above average coach that simply has no passion for this Clippers team or coaching.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:21 PM   #20
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Doc is an above average coach that's recently lost his way and passion.

Doc in Orlando had Tracy Mcgrady and Darrell armstrong with a bunch of Pelican level NBA players. He maximized that team to its potential and along with Tmac got them to the playoffs.

Doc then faced some tumultous times with Boston culminating in a championship and 2 NBA finals appearances. When KG was out, he helped create a lane for Rondo to truly shine and become a big part of the offense.

Clippers have underachieved and part of it is him. Somewhere Doc lost his way and passion for coaching. He became a President and HC and he couldn't balance both.

When a team is super undisciplined, I question if the coach is too young and trying to be their friend or if he's just not caring anymore. I don't think Doc cares nearly as much. He's set for life and he's only 54.

Ultimately, Clippers brought in Jerry West to evaluate and clean out FO and roster. I expect Doc to step down(not fired) from the position and take 2-3 years off. He will do commentating and only come back if there's another potential contender that needs him.

Doc is not a bad coach at all. he has great timeout plays and adjustments. I'd say he's an above average coach that simply has no passion for this Clippers team or coaching.

Yeah, for the other team.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:46 PM   #21
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All things equal, I don't think keeping Vinny would've lent worse results

Forget about "coaching" though. You could argue they actually underachieved with Doc because of his decision-making as GM.

Accountability? He gets a pass for the choke in 2014 and 2015, not being able to keep CP3, and for showing his son clear favoritism. Doc Rivers' success in LA reminds me a lot of Kupchacks with the Lakers...both are overrated and credited for shit they had little to do with (Jerry West before Kupchak and CP3 carrying the franchise like the BIG 3 did in Boston).
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:33 PM   #22
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Pulls starters too early, loses games.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:46 PM   #23
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All things equal, I don't think keeping Vinny would've lent worse results

Forget about "coaching" though. You could argue they actually underachieved with Doc because of his decision-making as GM.

Accountability? He gets a pass for the choke in 2014 and 2015, not being able to keep CP3, and for showing his son clear favoritism. Doc Rivers' success in LA reminds me a lot of Kupchacks with the Lakers...both are overrated and credited for shit they had little to do with (Jerry West before Kupchak and CP3 carrying the franchise like the BIG 3 did in Boston).

They did underachieve with Doc. I think he is a good players coach and draws up good late game timeout plays. But him as a GM has been bad and him as a coach was underwhelming. He ain't bad, but I feel like the Clippers roster could've achieved more. Especially when they were up 3-1 on Houston. But 2014 when they faced the Thunder was CP3 fault. They lost a very important game due to him making a mistake in game 5. You could blame the refs too, but CP3 got them in that situation.

With that said, him with the Celts was tough.
09 KG got injured.
10 they ran into the Lakers and Perkins got injured in the final game. It was amazing that they even got to the finals tho. Everyone was surprised.
11 they were hurt and big 3 Heat got together.
12 Heat.
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:27 AM   #24
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Doc is an above average coach that's recently lost his way and passion.

Doc in Orlando had Tracy Mcgrady and Darrell armstrong with a bunch of Pelican level NBA players. He maximized that team to its potential and along with Tmac got them to the playoffs.

Doc then faced some tumultous times with Boston culminating in a championship and 2 NBA finals appearances. When KG was out, he helped create a lane for Rondo to truly shine and become a big part of the offense.

Clippers have underachieved and part of it is him. Somewhere Doc lost his way and passion for coaching. He became a President and HC and he couldn't balance both.

When a team is super undisciplined, I question if the coach is too young and trying to be their friend or if he's just not caring anymore. I don't think Doc cares nearly as much. He's set for life and he's only 54.

Ultimately, Clippers brought in Jerry West to evaluate and clean out FO and roster. I expect Doc to step down(not fired) from the position and take 2-3 years off. He will do commentating and only come back if there's another potential contender that needs him.

Doc is not a bad coach at all. he has great timeout plays and adjustments. I'd say he's an above average coach that simply has no passion for this Clippers team or coaching.

really good valid points. esp about him in Orlando.
Not sure about him losing passion and not caring though.
Very difficult to advance in the very tough West. It's funny, they upset the Spurs etc and he gets no credit. A few questionable decisions and he's a bad coach. Where are those CP3 bashers when you need them?
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