Steve Nash is underrated

[Mrofir]

Offensive Efficiency Ranking

2002 Mavs -- 1st
2003 Mavs -- 1st
2004 Mavs -- 1st
2005 Suns -- 1st
2006 Suns -- 2nd
2007 Suns -- 1st
2008 Suns -- 2nd
2009 Suns -- 2nd
2010 Suns -- 1st


Stop disrespecting Steve Nash. The guy is a top 5 PG ALL TIME

His Lakers stint has clouded our collective memory.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

LOL @ top 5 PG
one of the most overrated players ever. System player one of the worst players in the league as soon as he leaves Phoenix gets exposed. Dallas let him go b/c his defense cost them series

Magic, Oscar, Stockton, CP, Kidd and Payton were all better, all around PGs
Nash is on the next tier on the same level as KJ

[kennethgriffin]

his lack of defense killed all his teams though

and defense wins championships

only mvp to never make the nba finals... and the little ****er has 2 of them for god sakes

[Mrofir]

LOL @ top 5 PG
one of the most overrated players ever. System player one of the worst players in the league as soon as he leaves Phoenix gets exposed. Dallas let him go b/c his defense cost them series

Magic, Oscar, Stockton, CP, Kidd and Payton were all better, all around PGs
Nash is on the next tier on the same level as KJ

1st tier -- Magic, Oscar

2nd tier -- Cousy, Nash, Stockton, Isiah

3rd tier -- Kidd, Payton, perhaps KJ

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

1st tier -- Magic, Oscar

2nd tier -- Cousy, Nash, Stockton, Isiah

3rd tier -- Kidd, Payton, perhaps KJ

this nikka said Cousy



CP is better than half those guys

[navy]

Offensive Efficiency Ranking

2002 Mavs -- 1st
2003 Mavs -- 1st
2004 Mavs -- 1st
2005 Suns -- 1st
2006 Suns -- 2nd
2007 Suns -- 1st
2008 Suns -- 2nd
2009 Suns -- 2nd
2010 Suns -- 1st


Stop disrespecting Steve Nash. The guy is a top 5 PG ALL TIME

His Lakers stint has clouded our collective memory.

For the recorded some of Steve Nash's teams were the ALL TIME leaders in offensive efficiency. That's not an accident.

[kennethgriffin]

1st tier -- Magic, Oscar

2nd tier -- Cousy, Nash, Stockton, Isiah

3rd tier -- Kidd, Payton, perhaps KJ

did you know jerry west played point guard every year except 1968 and 1969

and isiah thomas belongs on first tier

how many point guards have lead their team to multiple nba titles

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

did you know jerry west played point guard every year except 1968 and 1969

and isiah thomas belongs on first tier

No he doesnt
Isiah was losing allnba selections to tripucka and fat lever. Hes blessed he played on one of the most stacked teams ever and the most stacked defensive team ever

[Mrofir]

You guys are simply spouting all the same smelly BS that's been circulating this forum for far too long. How about coming up with an intelligent reaction of some sort to the statistics I've offered? 9 years straight of leading his team to top 2 offense, with huge roster turnover the whole time.

The guy is the BEST offensive point guard in the history of the game. At prime, the best passer AND best shooter in the league, with elite ball handling skills.

How about some actual reactions to the stats I've posted rather than regurgitating the same BS?

[Mrofir]

this nikka said Cousy



CP is better than half those guys

Cousy practically invented the PG position. He deserves to be up there because of that.

Let's not get into the cross generational comparison stuff. His name just deserves to be up there.

[houston]

He overrated as hell

[Smoke117]

It really is hard to accurately rate the man. I mean he was the major player in the turnaround for the Suns, but was he a great player...or just a great player in a a certain system? He was good, maybe even very good on the Mavericks, but it's not like they weren't playing up tempo. The Mavs pace was 2 to 7 in the league during his years there...and mostly 2-4. Offensively I KNOW HE COULD PLAY IN A HALF TEMPO SLOW DOWN OFFENSE, but defensively? I actually feel bad for him as far as defense because he actually TRIES...he just doesn't have the explosion and reflexes to defend at this level. He actually does give effort defensively, but he just doesn't have the athleticism to defend anyone. He has that white guy quickness, but no explosion.

He's probably underrated because people (a lot of Kobe fans) don't think he should have won either of his MVP's and basically say he's overrated because he was never MVP caliber and want to minimize the impact he had on his team. There is no doubt about it that he played in perfect situations to fit his game...but that doesn't mean he wasn't very good-great at what he did.

[Kungfro]

LOL @ top 5 PG
one of the most overrated players ever. System player one of the worst players in the league as soon as he leaves Phoenix gets exposed. Dallas let him go b/c his defense cost them series

Magic, Oscar, Stockton, CP, Kidd and Payton were all better, all around PGs
Nash is on the next tier on the same level as KJ

What got exposed exactly? His bad back? The fact that he was 38 and entering his 17th NBA season?

[kennethgriffin]

No he doesnt
Isiah was losing allnba selections to tripucka and fat lever. Hes blessed he played on one of the most stacked teams ever and the most stacked defensive team ever

umm..

1983 = 1st team = magic/moncrief, 2nd team = thomas ( 23ppg, 8apg )

1984 = 1st team = thomas/magic ( 21ppg, 11apg )

1985 = 1st team = thomas/magic ( 21ppg, 14apg )

1986 = 1st team = thomas/magic ( 21ppg, 11apg )

1987 = 1st team = magic/jordan, 2nd team = thomas ( 21ppg, 10apg )

1988 = 1st team = magic/jordan, 2nd team = drexler/stockton ( 20ppg, 8apg )

1989 = nba finals mvp ( 20ppg/8apg regular season )

1990 = back2back champion ( 18ppg/8apg regular season )

1991 = injured

1992 = 18ppg/7apg

1993 = 17ppg/9apg

1994 = career ending injury


i mean its not like he was losing all nba teams to scrubs... and its not like he wasnt balling

he might have been lucky to be blessed with team mates. but what leader from the 80s didnt need great team mates. before expansion the only way to win was with help

[Mrofir]

It really is hard to accurately rate the man. I mean he was the major player in the turnaround for the Suns, but was he a great player...or just a great player in a a certain system? He was good, maybe even very good on the Mavericks, but it's not like they weren't playing up tempo. The Mavs pace was 2 to 7 in the league during his years there...and mostly 2-4. Offensively I KNOW HE COULD PLAY IN A HALF TEMPO SLOW DOWN OFFENSE, but defensively? I actually feel bad for him as far as defense because he actually TRIES...he just doesn't have the explosion and reflexes to defend at this level. He actually does give effort defensively, but he just doesn't have the athleticism to defend anyone. He has that white guy quickness, but no explosion.

He's probably underrated because people (a lot of Kobe fans) don't think he should have won either of his MVP's and basically say he's overrated because he was never MVP caliber and want to minimize the impact he had on his team. There is no doubt about it that he played in perfect situations to fit his game...but that doesn't mean he wasn't very good-great at what he did.

I appreciate your post.

I would just add that in my humble opinion, if a coaching staff builds a system around a player's abilities, and that team wins 55, 60, 62 games and competes for championships, the player is a superstar. Coaches played to Nash's strengths because he was good enough to build around and compete for championships. If Amare and Diaw don't get suspended, I honestly think Phx gets one.

Another thing people forget is Nash averaged 16-10 on 53\44\93 playing next to Shaq, with Terry Porter as head coach.

Terry Porter.


























Terry.




















Porter.


P.S. Pace is not related to Offensive efficiency.




P.P.S. -- TP