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    Quote Originally Posted by Younggrease
    In 96 Jordan put up 30/6/4/ which is great but not quite dominant stats, although he did dominate
    Fact is, as much as Lakers-City et al. want to pretend that Kobe is performing as well as Jordan did when he won his MVP's, that is clearly false. Kobe is having a good (not great) season by his standards, and it certainly isn't close to any of Jordan's championship seasons. In fact, it wasn't until age 35 when Jordan had as poor a statistical season as Kobe is having this year (thus far; I expect his numbers to improve), and even that year (1998) might have been better when you account for the fact that he led the Bulls to a 25-11 record without Pippen to start the season while having similar statistical output to Kobe this year.


    And lol @ saying that 30/6/4 (actually, it was 30.4/6.6/4.3/2.2 on 49.5% shooting, to be precise) isn't dominant. This was before the inflated perimeter scoring era, kiddies. And his PER that year was 29.4, which was a full 1.3 points above the best statistical season by any player last season, so I guess no one last season was dominant...

    Kobe could win if he goes 29/6/5 48.5% shooting, top 3 seed. But it isnt happening.
    What part isn't happening? The numbers or the wins? Those would be respectable MVP-level numbers imo. I'd even say something like 28/6/5 on 48% shooting would do it provided that LA wins 53+ games, unless someone else really turns it up.
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    fact, it wasn't until age 35 when Jordan had as poor a statistical season as Kobe is having this year
    Kobe is having a "poor" season? Even if we don't consider the fact that he's playing his way into shape, this is too much (even from you, Lokster)

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    translation = im a jordan groupie who needs to grab at straws whenever the most minimal statistical mistake is made in a post.

    kobe is having the best shooting season of his career, despite having the same scrubs he had last year the lakers still have a great record.

    seriously, get off jordan's d*ck and learn to accept the guy is retired and other players from present time dont need to live up to HIS standards to win the mvp.

    why bring up jordan's age in the 97 and 98 seasons ? the voters dont give a shiiit about a players age.

    keep those bs PER stats in that useless basketball reference site and watch some games, then make judgements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konex
    Kobe is having a "poor" season? Even if we don't consider the fact that he's playing his way into shape, this is too much (even from you, Lokster)
    "As poor as" implies a comparison. Of course Kobe isn't having a poor season. He's having a great season, in fact. But relative to Jordan's seasons, it's poor (statistically). Tell your fellow Laker groupies not to bring up the comparison if they can't handle the heat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakers-City
    seriously, kobe is having the best shooting season of his career despite having the same scrubs he had last year the lakers still have a great record.
    Of course he's having the best shooting season of his career -- he's also averaging a 3 year low in ppg. No coincidence there.

    lol @ "the same scrubs." Those "scrubs" are sure playing well for him, what with Odom's 18/9/5, Walton's 13/5/4 and league-leading 3-pt %, and the great post play from Bynum and Brown (especially defensively).

    seriously, get off jordan's d*ck and learn to apreciate other players.
    Oh, wait -- you must be under the impression that it was I who brought Jordan's name up in this conversation. Learn to read. Lakers fans seem to have the market on illiteracy cornered.

    What makes it doubly humorous is that it was you who brought up Jordan's name, and now you're crying foul. Rich.


    why bring up jordan's age in the 97 and 98 seasons ? the voters dont give a shiiit about a players age.
    Because you were acting as if Kobe was beasting this season, and as if his season was equivalent to Jordan's MVP seasons. Hint: it's not.

    seriously, keep those bs PER stats in that useless basketball reference site and watch some games, then make judgements.
    Translation: I refuse to listen to any fact, stat etc. that doesn't agree with my preconceptions.

    I do watch games -- Lakers games, even. And Kobe is having a great season, as are several of his teammates, and the team as a whole is playing very cohesively. But don't try to make his season into something it's not (thus far).
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    so you are another statbiitch who uses horscrap stats over a true judgement based on watching games ?

    jordan won mvp in a year he scored 28 ppg on 46%, so ?

    his team won 55 without him, let me see this lakers win 55 without kobe to ranks them as anything above scrubs.

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    kobe mvp

    its a race between nash, duncan, dirk, boozer right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    kobe mvp

    its a race between nash, duncan, dirk, boozer right now.

    Spurs got beat by the Lakers

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    there's a reason why kobe should win it over duncan........

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    so ? one game doesnt mean anything, the spurs are simply a better team, cant wait til they knock the fc,k out of dobe and the lakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    so ? one game doesnt mean anything, the spurs are simply a better team, cant wait til they knock the fc,k out of dobe and the lakers

    The Lakers are going to the WCF. If the Spurs happen to be there, they will be knocked out. Book it.

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    at lakers on the west finals

    at the lakers beating the spurs on the playoffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    at lakers on the west finals

    at the lakers beating the spurs on the playoffs

    The Lakers are winning the Championship. Spurs.... Duncan Dougnuts isn't going anywhere...


    Keep on dreaming Mr. Rockets
    Last edited by Heilige; 12-12-2006 at 08:35 PM.

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    kobe doesn't have shaq's coat-tails to ride anymore, nash, duncan or dirk are gonna knock the fck outta kobe, i cant wait

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    I don't know why all this discussion about Kobe's stats and MJ's stats and all that jazz. Kobe isn't likely to be the MVP for a simple reason.

    He's a d!ck. People don't like him, and fair or not, it affects the voting. The MVP award isn't awarded by a computer calculating who deserved it, but human beings affected by biases.

    Nash is a likeable guy, and it sure as hell helps. Just look at him. He comes off as the kind of guy who if you ran into him in a bar would buy you a drink and then talk ball with you all night. Kobe comes off as a guy who at a bar wouldn't even give you an autograph because he'd be too busy raping white girls or something.

    For Kobe to win the MVP award, he has to be clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the field. Just being up there won't cut it.

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    Wow. Does EVERY topic have to turn into Kobe vs. Jordan?

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