2008-09 Dwyane Wade vs. 2005-06 Kobe Bryant

[DMAVS41]

Finals MVP

Read above post.

Wade vs Celtics was literally twice as good as Kobe vs Celtics.

I thought this was a player vs player comparison. Are we now comparing the supporting casts and coaching?

I'm confused.

[DMAVS41]

Its really not that hard.

Wade was definitely better in 05 and 11. Not even debatable.

Kobe was definitely better in 07 and 08. Not even debatable.

The rest of the years are debatable.

Therefore its close either way since 05. Again....not hard.

[G-Funk]

- On December 12, 2005 when Kobe Bryant went to the bench at the end of the third quarter, he had just netted a Lakers record 30 points in that quarter. But even better, he had 62 points, his career high by then and one more than the hole Dallas team. It was Kobe 62, Mavericks 61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock. With the Lakers up by 34 points, Bryant didn't play in the 4th quarter.

- On January 22, 2006 Bryant made history scoring 81 points in a 122-104 victory against the Toronto Raptors. It was the second best point total in NBA history, trailing only Wilt Chamberlain's legendary 100-point game in 1962. It broke the previous Lakers record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor.


- In January, Bryant became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games. Only Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor did that before.

- In January, Bryant averaged 43.4 per game, the 8th highest single month scoring average in NBA history and the highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

- In 2005-06 Kobe Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for the most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832), among others.

- Kobe Bryant had the highest scoring average (35.4) since Michael Jordan's 37.1 in 1986-87.

[Odinn]

Just wow.

During that stretch;
37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

[DMAVS41]

Just wow.

During that stretch;
37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

To be able to score that much in addition to playing such a well rounded game on that efficiency is mind boggling. Just truly one of the most impressive stretches of regular season play I've ever seen. Maybe the most impressive factoring in circumstances.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I cant remember any player who has put similiar stats in such amount of games. Thats unbelievable really. Having 20ppg/10apg make you a superstar. What about 37ppg/10apg on 55%fg? I dont know, other than Jordan, I cant see who could be able to put down those numbers.

[Bigsmoke]

Read above post.

Wade vs Celtics was literally twice as good as Kobe vs Celtics.

I thought this was a player vs player comparison. Are we now comparing the supporting casts and coaching?

I'm confused.

i wouldnt say Wade had a better series since the series only went to 5 games and let Ray Allen ate his ass up.

The Heat had their chances to win in games 1, 2 "no KG", and 3.

game 3, the game is tied and Wade took a contested 3 which led to a Paul Pierce game winner....

[Kblaze8855]

Wade was a flat out monster in 09. He had several of the best games ive ever seen a guard play. He didnt score 35 a game but anyone watching him in that run should know he could have. That game he dropped like 50 on the Bulls was one of the most disgusting performances ive seen. 3 to force OT and and the steal and floater from 3 for the win in OT? Wade was legendary at times that year.

Guy might have 50/10/9 or 35 points and 16 assists. Have 45 and 12....hit the game winner. And have 4 blocks.

He had some Angels in the Outfield ass "No way....." games.

Kobe was balling of course. But im not gonna act like Wade couldnt score more if he took 29 shots a game for 2 months. He had 10-20 assists in 18 games that season. Kobe has 18 in the last 5 years combined. Which is no knock on Kobe. Kobe plays his role. In 06....he was flat out asked by Phil to get baskets. To score his ass off.

Wade was not playing that way. Wade did it all. Hard to say he was worse because he scored less while not making the same effort to get high totals. Kobe was trying to score a lot. Rare you catch Wade in that "Let me drop 50...." mode where hes just getting to his spots and attacking over and over. Wade has only taken more than 30 shots 8 times in his career. Kobe has gone over 30 in 6 games of 10 in single seasons before.

Wade just isnt as prone to taking a gang of shots. Different approach.

[Dave3]

trolling 101

You talking about what everyone is doing or what I'm saying?

[eliteballer]

Wade doesnt shoot as much because he can't. The dude shoots like 35% outside of 12 feet...for his career.

[DMAVS41]

i wouldnt say Wade had a better series since the series only went to 5 games and let Ray Allen ate his ass up.

The Heat had their chances to win in games 1, 2 "no KG", and 3.

game 3, the game is tied and Wade took a contested 3 which led to a Paul Pierce game winner....

Wade definitely played a better series. I don't know anyone being remotely objective could argue Kobe was better. He just wasn't.....not close really.

Again. Is this player vs player or team vs team. You act like Wade and Kobe had remotely similar help and coaching. They just didn't.

[DMAVS41]

- On December 12, 2005 when Kobe Bryant went to the bench at the end of the third quarter, he had just netted a Lakers record 30 points in that quarter. But even better, he had 62 points, his career high by then and one more than the hole Dallas team. It was Kobe 62, Mavericks 61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock. With the Lakers up by 34 points, Bryant didn't play in the 4th quarter.

- On January 22, 2006 Bryant made history scoring 81 points in a 122-104 victory against the Toronto Raptors. It was the second best point total in NBA history, trailing only Wilt Chamberlain's legendary 100-point game in 1962. It broke the previous Lakers record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor.


- In January, Bryant became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games. Only Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor did that before.

- In January, Bryant averaged 43.4 per game, the 8th highest single month scoring average in NBA history and the highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

- In 2005-06 Kobe Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for the most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832), among others.

- Kobe Bryant had the highest scoring average (35.4) since Michael Jordan's 37.1 in 1986-87.

Is anyone disputing that Kobe is the better high volume scorer? Just completely different minds in terms of offense/scoring.

Its just personal preference at some point. Would you rather have 35 on 45% or 29 on 49% while playing a more well rounded offensive game.

You scoring total solely makes about makes very little sense.

[eliteballer]

Kobe could barely play against the Celtics because of his knee, and they have more players to matchup with him.

[tpols]

Wade definitely played a better series. I don't know anyone being remotely objective could argue Kobe was better. He just wasn't.....not close really.

Again. Is this player vs player or team vs team. You act like Wade and Kobe had remotely similar help and coaching. They just didn't.

The circumstances were different too.. the C's were expected to get beat by the Cavs in the second round and hadnt gained any momentum in the first round. By the finals, they were a much stronger, more confident team. It really was the Cavs series where Rondo exploded that propelled them. Cant compare a first round sweep to a 7 game Finals series..

[DMAVS41]

The circumstances were different too.. the C's were expected to get beat by the Cavs in the second round and hadnt gained any momentum in the first round. By the finals, they were a much stronger, more confident team. It really was the Cavs series where Rondo exploded that propelled them. Cant compare a first round sweep to a 7 game Finals series..

I agree with some of this, but it was the same team the same year in the playoffs.

If you are ever going to get a good insight into performance against similar competition...its then.

I'm not saying its the end all be all or anything...but its hard to ignore the huge chasm in play between the two. Especially considering how much more help Kobe had as well. Have to factor that in to be fair....if you are going to factor in things like momentum etc.