How Is Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Top 5?

[Lebronxrings]

kareem is top 10, russell is top 20 only based on impact.

[SouBeachTalents]

11 time champion-60 years ago they had byes and at times only PLAYED 10 games to win that paper chip.now u got to WIN 16 wins and so got to play at LEAST 20 games ..those would not translate to this era or other era after the 60's were over with plus a weak ass era AND a stacked team .Lot of people say magic played with a stacked but no one ever says anything bout Russell's squads.
Lot of trophies are named after players or dignitaries..doesn't mean anything ..

H2H look how he handled up against wilt , yea he sure did look like the DPOY while getting served ..

Yea, he real accomplished alrite,in them 13 years he was 1st team ONLY 3 times I could go on and on..sounds like a GOAT candidate if I ever saw one..

If the Celtics were "so stacked", why didn't they win anything before Russell arrived, or not win another title again until 5 years after Russell retired?

[BigMacAttack]

This thread has been done to death.

[the mesiah]

If the Celtics were "so stacked", why didn't they win anything before Russell arrived, or not win another title again until 5 years after Russell retired?

Red's system is why plus add the fact he was the most athletic,one of the tallest,and didn't have to carry any load on offense.he was the 4th option.You can plug in any athletic center to RED's system in the 50's and have a chip .he played his ROLE to a T.

[Carbine]

The era stuff is weak.

Russell played Wilt pretty damn good I'd say.

Old Wilt played Kareem and did very well.

Old Kareem played Young Hakeem and did very well.

Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the finals.

Shaq & Duncan had battles galore throughout their time.

Old Duncan is still putting in work against this "new era."

[G.O.A.T]

The era stuff is weak.

Russell played Wilt pretty damn good I'd say.

Old Wilt played Kareem and did very well.

Old Kareem played Young Hakeem and did very well.

Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the finals.

Shaq & Duncan had battles galore throughout their time.

Old Duncan is still putting in work against this "new era."

To me is a trump card. Great players have always adapted to a changing game on the fly. There is no evidence to suggest anyone post shot clock could not adjust to any era played through.

[choppermagic]

How can you knock Kareem. In terms of basketball, this guy is certainly a god and worthy of GOAT discussions.

Guy scored more points than anyone in NBA history. You dont luck into that.

He perfected the most unstoppable shot in basketball history. You dont get carried into that.

He was already a legend before the NBA by sweeping his years at UCLA.

His stats in the game are otherworldly. If someone came into the league today and averaged 35ppg and 16rbg, they would start building his statue outside the arena.

He played through different eras and was effective in each.

6 championships. 6 MVPs.


I find the era comparisons folly. So players were less athletic back then so the player gets ranked lower on the all time list? Then you might as well empty the first 50 spots since the players 15-20 years from now will dominate all those rankings and people like Lebron will be like No. 120 on the GOAT list.

[the mesiah]

The era stuff is weak.

Russell played Wilt pretty damn good I'd say.
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Ok, I'm done ..I'll let u have the thread and won't beat U down with LAZERUSSesque type heat ..
Bottom line ..Head-to-Head Against One Another in 142 Games

Chamberlain: 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds

Russell: 14.5 points and 23.7 rebounds