Originally Posted by AtTheDriveIn
Firstly, I don't think Bryant will ever find a player who will fit into a second player role behind him because of what you stated earlier. Kobe is a 1 man team and he always will be, there will never be a player who will fit into the second player role.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to think that way but I don't.
However, as you said, it's not working.
You blame Kobe, I blame Odom mostly.
Or maybe perhaps I don't blame any of them because they just don't fit.
However, should the Lakers just stop trying and think that no one will ever be able to play with Kobe? After first guy with many question marks and a style that many said won't fit Kobe? After him? Without trying to get someone with a different mentality or a different style?
I don't think so.
Personally, I think I have every reason to believe that Lamar just doesn't have the mindset of a key player. He has a mind of a role player.
When he's a first option, he's agressive but whenever someone else took over Lamar's stats went down big time.
He was never able to play with a guy that takes over and he had his share of opportunities, first Brand, then Wade, now Kobe.
I see him as a perfect 2nd option talent but with a mentality of a role player.
The thing is IMO that he only feels as a key guy when he indeed is a key guy. When he feels that there is someone better, his game goes down and he defers. He lets that other person do everything and he's just way too passive.
Before judging Kobe, why not give him someone that should at least theorethically fit him better?
Secondly, If Lamar isn't worth 13, then Jermaine O'neal definatley isn't worth 18 or whatever he is being payed.
You have a point. JO too is overpaid however IMO he is a star. An all star. A true go to player.
He led Indiana to a 61-21 record. Let's just say that I wouldn't mind seeing him play with Kobe.
He's an agressive scorer, demands the ball and unlike Odom he wants the ball.
So, his mentality is a plus and his game style is even more of a plus.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's overrated.
Not a great man to man defender and he settles too much for high post shots but in the NBA it's all about matchups.
The only good quality of Kwame's is his size and post defense. JO OTOH excels as a shotblocker. So much, size, athleticism and complementary skils. JO would be perfect in that regard.
As for his refusal so play in the post every time, yes, that I'd have the problem with but it's like Kobe shooting stuid shots, it makes them less effective but overall you can't complain.
Thirdly, The trade will never happen if a deal would include Lamar Odom because, they already have a good SF in Danny Granger and they already have a fairly decent PF in Troy Murphy. I'm not really too sure what position Dunleavy players anymore, he could be a SG,SF of PF but with him (Dunleavy) in there as well, I just don't see Indiana trading their franchise player for just another wing player.
Murphy is overpaid trash IMO. I hate players like him. Not that it matters but I hate Al Harrington too.
Love Granger though.
Anyway, it's been reported before that Bird has a soft spot for Odom and since apparently Indiana will look for a JO trade and he himself will talk to the management because he doesn't want to end up like Garnett and is too passionate, hard working and has a will to win.....I'd say that the Lakers have a good chance to get him if they offer Odom and Bynum.
You're right though. Their structure is terrible but no way is Troy Murphy a starting caliber player. Hated him in GS when he was putting up good numbers too.
They need to replace JO somehow though...if he asks out.
Think they"ll get better than Odom and Bynum?
I just find it hard to trade for JO without giving Kwame and I want to keep Kwame over Bynum.
Unfortunetely Kwame has a contract that can match JO's salary but fortunetely the Lakers will give more thought to a trade if it's Kwame instead of Bynum.
It was reported that the Pacers are also looking to unload Tinsley.
So the way I see it, it could go like this
Probably some picks and more players would have to be included to sweeten the deal.
The Pacers would get a really good player in Odom and a decent player and hell of a cap relief in Kwame.
Financially, it's an amazing move for them.
I'd still do it....but I'd want the Lakers to replace Kwame and that might not be easy.