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Old 03-27-2019, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Kobe/Jordan won Finals with these stats, LeBron lost Finals with these stats

Kobe/Jordan won with:

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



LeBron lost with:

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014



Why?
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:47 PM   #2
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:56 PM   #3
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:58 PM   #4
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Maybe if Bron played some actual D instead of statpadding garbage time assists hed have more rings.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:05 PM   #5
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One guy plays to get numbers and the others play to actually win.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:08 PM   #6
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DnK out for blood and the kids dont wanna face it.

Plain and simple, competition. Mike faced the weakest of all top 10 players and also he had the most help to go along with the weakest teams.

4 rebs and 2 assists = Finals chip MVP? No way brotha, who the hell else has done that I bet no one else was that weak and still won it all.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:10 PM   #7
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27ppg on 41.7% (Jordan in 1996)

25 on 44.7% and a net negative for the series (Lebron 2013)

And his 23 on 43% thru 6 games was insufficient, so Ray Allen had to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Lebron also won the 14' ECF with only 22/6/5 - MJ wouldn't win any of his conference finals with those stats..


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LeBron lost with:

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014

^^^^ Proven stat-padding - Lebron's assists came at the expense of the team - his team was massively out-assisted in all of those Finals

Also, Harden held the ball for 9.4 minutes per game this year, compared to 12.2 and 11.0 minutes for Lebron in 15' and 18'..

No team can win with that brand of shit ball (ridiculous ball-dominance while the team gets massively out-assisted)


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4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

^^^ offset by goat scoring, goat scoring load, goat clutch, goat defense

And goat teamwork, as required to build any dynasty

(a record 38.3% of team's points.. top 3 all-time 10.3 ppg in 4th... 52% of team's points in closeout game and the best clutch the game's ever seen...45 of team's 87 pts in closeout)
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:11 PM   #8
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Kobe/MJ actually played elite defense in those finals
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:12 PM   #9
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DnK out for blood and the kids dont wanna face it.

Plain and simple, competition. Mike faced the weakest of all top 10 players and also he had the most help to go along with the weakest teams.

4 rebs and 2 assists = Finals chip MVP? No way brotha, who the hell else has done that I bet no one else was that weak and still won it all.


Warriors beat the Rockets 3 times in the playoffs... Imagine if the dubs slipped up one year, choked and let James Harden go to the finals and win? He would be forever seen as an ATG SG who is one of the most dominant ever... but he lost...and most of this board and casual fans see him as a beta choker who cant do shit in the playoffs

Thats why all of Brons competition always looks so strong in the end because he always loses to them thus enhancing their legacy. If MJ slipped up in 98 we would be talking about the Jazz being on par with some of the greatest teams of all time... but they didnt and thats why we dont talk about them.. maybe MJs legacy would be better according to you if he choked against the Jazz one year or let Ewing go to the finals and win a chip...
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:13 PM   #10
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One guy plays to get numbers and the others play to actually win.

One guy plays weak people and wins with weak numbers and the other plays with better numbers and loses because he isnt facing 6'1 Paytons or auto mechanics

-Edited by me for accuracy now your welcome doop
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:17 PM   #11
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Warriors beat the Rockets 3 times in the playoffs... Imagine if the dubs slipped up one year, choked and let James Harden go to the finals and win? He would be forever seen as an ATG SG who is one of the most dominant ever... but he lost...and most of this board and casual fans see him as a beta choker who cant do shit in the playoffs

Thats why all of Brons competition always looks so strong in the end because he always loses to them thus enhancing their legacy. If MJ slipped up in 98 we would be talking about the Jazz being on par with some of the greatest teams of all time... but they didnt and thats why we dont talk about them.. maybe MJs legacy would be better according to you if he choked against the Jazz one year or let Ewing go to the finals and win a chip...

I know what your trying to do but your ignoring a lot. First, who the **** wins a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists

Now after you answer that we can move to your other point, which is bad. Harden example is dumb because...First he would still need to win the Finals too not just WCF and also he wouldnt get respect from haters becos Bron did something bigger with 3-1 and 73 win team and we still have idiots that say Adam Silver helped him win...

Now to your last point about Jordan letting a team slip in, he never faced a team that was capable of slipping in. Thats just like saying Bron played in weak east yet dominated for 8 years. What if Bron let the Pacers or Bulls or Raps slip in one year are they an ATG team now? Be real and get better points Im goign to bed soon.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:22 PM   #12
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One guy plays weak people and wins with weak numbers and the other plays with better numbers and loses because he isnt facing 6'1 Paytons or auto mechanics

-Edited by me for accuracy now your welcome doop
Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:26 PM   #13
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First, who the **** wins a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists

Who scores 38% of their team's points?

Or 52% in the closeout game with the best clutch the game's ever seen?

I'll wait


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Now to your last point about Jordan letting a team slip in, he never faced a team that was capable of slipping in. Thats just like saying Bron played in weak east yet dominated for 8 years. What if Bron let the Pacers or Bulls or Raps slip in one year are they an ATG team now? Be real and get better points Im goign to bed soon.

^^^ so you're saying that MJ dominated Finals comp and Lebron only conference finals comp... : :

Lebron's conference finals cream puffs don't compare to Finals comp, i.e. Jazz beat Duncan/Popovich and prime Shaq + 3 all-stars

Ultimately, lebron won 9 ecf and 3 Finals (12 wins), while Jordan won 6 ecf and 6 Finals (12 wins)

Obviously, MJ's 3 extra Finals wins > lebron's 3 extra conference finals wins.. ... Sleep tight now..
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Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.

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Old 03-27-2019, 11:30 PM   #15
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Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.
You HAVE to be trolling bringing up Carlos Arroyo all the time right Like that Olympics isn't most embarrassing for Duncan
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