Jordan's help. Wow.

[AirBonner]

So what I gather from this thread is that Jordan had some of the most stacked teams of all time during his championship runs and his competition was some of the weakest of any era.

[AirFederer]

So what I gather from this thread is that Jordan had some of the most stacked teams of all time during his championship runs and his competition was some of the weakest of any era.

Bunch of retards in this therad #fvckyouMillennials

Hail to the GOAT

[SpaceJam2]

1. Scottie Pippen
The 2nd best perimeter player of the 90's. Arguably the best perimeter defender of all time.

2. Dennis Rodman
The best rebounder of all time and one of the mos versatile defenders of all time. He put up seasons of 14.9 rpg, 16.1 rpg, and 15.0 rpg in his seasons with the Bulls.

3. Horace Grant
Played with the Bulls for 7 seasons until 93-94. The epitome of a perfect role player. Was a consistent player with a deady midrange jumper and outstanding defense. Peaked in his final Chicago season with outstanding averages of 15.1 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.2 bpg on 52%.

4. Toni Kukoc
Came in right after Horace left. Played with the Bulls from 93-94 up through Jordan's retirement. A lefty, solid playmaker, and smooth handles. What else would you expect out of another of Jordan's superstar teammates? Came over already established and in his prime at the age of 25. In his 2nd season with the Bulls he put up a cool 15.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 spg on 50%.

5. Charles Oakley
He played with Jordan before he learned how to collect and utilize talent amazingly (while berating it needlessly). They had a stint together in the 87-88 season where the Oak Tree dropped a more than respectable 12.4 ppg, 13.0 rpg, and 3.0 dimes. All while being a tree.

6. BJ Armstrong
A steadfast point guard that was reliable. Beyond reliable in reality - a great running mate. Stuck it out on the Bulls from 89-95. Learned the game (while being a great bench player) his first three years with good numbers. Peaked at the right time as a starter in the 93-94 season with a solid and efficient scoring line of 14.8 ppg, 3.9 apg on 48%, 44%, 86%

7. Ron Harper
Was a stat stuffer. Came to the Bulls to become a winner and increase their already league leading talent pool. What'd he drop the year before he joined the Bulls? An inspired 20.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.9 spg performance with some high level defense.

And a bunch of white guys that spread the floor as knock down shooters.

Has there ever been such a loaded roster as the ones Jordan enjoyed? I used to think Kobe or Bron had help but remembering history has shown that even the collusion titles of Bran pale in comparison to the talent dump the Bulls were. It's no surprise that they were still title contenders without him. Did he come back because his legacy would of been hurt by them winning a chip without him, or because he truly wanted the challenge of playing with an unfairly stacked team to win chips against significantly inferior opposition?

Wow...MJ's legacy exposed

[Manny98]

I expect at least 8 rings with all that help

[SpaceJam2]

I expect at least 8 rings with all that help

Only got to 6, like 13 other NBA players. Nothing too great

[ArbitraryWater]

Modern era.

Nobody cares about that stuff - that was a different league, incomparable.

1960's: Racism. Black guys playing against a bunch of janitors.
1970's: The beginning of the the real NBA. A lot of random nonsense. A few transcendent players.
1980's: The first decade of real NBA basketball. The first construct of true teams, franchises and global impact.
1990's - current: Learned from the 80's and rode the aesthetically pleasing game of Jordan and created the modern era. Everything translates.

70's is more hippies and drugs and randomness with the ABA...

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=Naero]The 1-9 Pippen-less record only proves that Michael Jordan needed more help to win, but what about the extent of help needed? A substantially impactful difference-maker or a modicum of additive help to get over the hump?

Scottie Pippen was only a bench-player in his first season and thus was mostly impactless in the grander scheme of the games; in fact, in 35 of the Bulls' wins in his rookie season (1987-88), Pippen played less than 25 minutes, while he played in 25-plus minutes in 11 of their losses. He obviously was a positive-impact player overall; but for such a supposedly legendary sidekick, it looks like they didn't need him to be fully serviceable to win enough games to shape the Bulls' playoff-seeding fortunes for the better.

Moreover, in the playoffs, he was mostly a non-factor in 3 of the 4 wins; he notched less than 10 points in 3 of those 4 wins. Better playoffs-seeding

[HylianNightmare]

George gervin too. Still not as much help as L39RON

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bunch of retards in this therad #fvckyouMillennials

Hail to the GOAT

The 90s - where palming a ball is considered black magic

[scuzzy]

The 90s - where palming a ball is considered black magic

[SpaceJam2]

The 90s - where palming a ball is considered black magic

[Shooter]

1. Scottie Pippen
The 2nd best perimeter player of the 90's. Arguably the best perimeter defender of all time.

2. Dennis Rodman
The best rebounder of all time and one of the mos versatile defenders of all time. He put up seasons of 14.9 rpg, 16.1 rpg, and 15.0 rpg in his seasons with the Bulls.

3. Horace Grant
Played with the Bulls for 7 seasons until 93-94. The epitome of a perfect role player. Was a consistent player with a deady midrange jumper and outstanding defense. Peaked in his final Chicago season with outstanding averages of 15.1 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.2 bpg on 52%.

4. Toni Kukoc
Came in right after Horace left. Played with the Bulls from 93-94 up through Jordan's retirement. A lefty, solid playmaker, and smooth handles. What else would you expect out of another of Jordan's superstar teammates? Came over already established and in his prime at the age of 25. In his 2nd season with the Bulls he put up a cool 15.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 spg on 50%.

5. Charles Oakley
He played with Jordan before he learned how to collect and utilize talent amazingly (while berating it needlessly). They had a stint together in the 87-88 season where the Oak Tree dropped a more than respectable 12.4 ppg, 13.0 rpg, and 3.0 dimes. All while being a tree.

6. BJ Armstrong
A steadfast point guard that was reliable. Beyond reliable in reality - a great running mate. Stuck it out on the Bulls from 89-95. Learned the game (while being a great bench player) his first three years with good numbers. Peaked at the right time as a starter in the 93-94 season with a solid and efficient scoring line of 14.8 ppg, 3.9 apg on 48%, 44%, 86%

7. Ron Harper
Was a stat stuffer. Came to the Bulls to become a winner and increase their already league leading talent pool. What'd he drop the year before he joined the Bulls? An inspired 20.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.9 spg performance with some high level defense.

And a bunch of white guys that spread the floor as knock down shooters.

Has there ever been such a loaded roster as the ones Jordan enjoyed? I used to think Kobe or Bron had help but remembering history has shown that even the collusion titles of Bran pale in comparison to the talent dump the Bulls were. It's no surprise that they were still title contenders without him. Did he come back because his legacy would of been hurt by them winning a chip without him, or because he truly wanted the challenge of playing with an unfairly stacked team to win chips against significantly inferior opposition?

Wow

[Shooter]

Yikes

[Soundwave]

This board is the same shit over and over again for 15+ years, lol, been checking in to see if there's some serious playoff discussion but it's the same "maybe Kobe/LeBron can become MJ" crap and 90% of the discussion is some variation of that, once LeBron is done and that time is coming this board is going to just fall apart.

[97 bulls]

This board is the same shit over and over again for 15+ years, lol, been checking in to see if there's some serious playoff discussion but it's the same "maybe Kobe/LeBron can become MJ" crap and 90% of the discussion is some variation of that, once LeBron is done and that time is coming this board is going to just fall apart.

Very true. I think its gotten worse. Just a bunch of trolls. And people dont even want to discuss teams, only players. Fans of players go out of their way to tear down their favorite players teammates which is insane. I honestly think these games today would rather their favorite player lose and have a great statistical series than win.