1988: Bird outplaying Jordan the ENTIRE season..the worst an MVP has been disgraced?

[mehyaM24]

I really have a hard time believing that these fools are legit bron fans

Quit the act fool.

who am i fan of then? jordan?

[Sarcastic]

OP didn't even watch an NBA game in 1988, let alone 1998, and people are taking him serious?


Mods, why are trolls like this still allowed to make new threads?

[iamgine]

jordan won MVP in 1988, but his runner up, larry bird, completely trashed him in H2H matchups.

bird led boston to an 8-1 record in the regular season over jordan's bulls, and in all but ONE game, he outplayed jordan statistically.

few highlights to the games referenced:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEaNwJPssEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zk1vWGxEXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ChmRhlFzk0

come playoff time, the bulls were to be had in 5 by the pistons, and ironically enough, the cetlics just a year before, in a sweep (in one of those games, jordan went scoreless in the 4th quarter while the bulls were up double digits to begin the period. bird? went off scoring at least 12 points to close the game out).

the only other year i can think of where an mvp completely and throughly was out played, had to have been robinson in 1995 vs hakeem. but even then, that was just in a playoff series. the volume here is larger.

First, MVP is a regular season award.

Second, what happened in the previous season carried no weight towards the following season.

Third, the Celtics were by far a better team than the Bulls at that point, often named the best team of all time.

Fourth, Bulls went 3-3 against Celtics in the '87-'88 regular season.

So...premise fail?

[Cali Syndicate]

if kobe won the MVP you would have a point. fact is , he didn't- so jordan winning an mvp with an 8th seeded team, while being outplayed by bird, H2H, statistically, deserves an asterisk.

nobody today is winning an mvp award just squeezing out a playoff birth. LOL

Bulls were the 3rd seeded team. What do you mean squeezing out a playoff berth?

50wins would've also been the 3rd seed last season, and the season before.

Lebron stans talking about asterisks, funny stuff.

[Cali Syndicate]

First, MVP is a regular season award.

Second, what happened in the previous season carried no weight towards the following season.

Third, the Celtics were by far a better team than the Bulls at that point, often named the best team of all time.

Fourth, Bulls went 3-3 against Celtics in the '87-'88 regular season.

So...premise fail?

Op is an idiot, but celtics were Actually 9-1 against MJ and the Bulls. He at least got that notion close to correct.

[iamgine]

Op is an idiot, but celtics were Actually 9-1 against MJ and the Bulls. He at least got that notion close to correct.

Am I missing something here? Didn't that happen in the previous season? Also, wasn't it 9-0 and not 9-1?

[Cali Syndicate]

Am I missing something here? Didn't that happen in the previous season? Also, wasn't it 9-0 and not 9-1?

Bird played MJ 6 times in 87. Celtics won all 6. 9-0 if you count the playoffs.

Celtics played the Bulls 6 times in 88, season series went 3-3 however Bird missed 2 games the Celtics lost. When Bird played, Celtics were 3-1.

9-1.

Fact is, Bird and the Celtics dominated MJ and the Bulls. Most people who actually understand basketball would understand why though unlike the OP.

[Collie]

Bird played MJ 6 times in 87. Celtics won all 6. 9-0 if you count the playoffs.

Celtics played the Bulls 6 times in 88, season series went 3-3 however Bird missed 2 games the Celtics lost. When Bird played, Celtics were 3-1.

9-1.

Fact is, Bird and the Celtics dominated MJ and the Bulls. Most people who actually understand basketball would understand why though unlike the OP.

This is the essence of it all. The Celtics were a far better team top to bottom. Remember, this was just a year or two removed from a top 3 team all time.

[K Xerxes]

Bulls were the 3rd seeded team. What do you mean squeezing out a playoff berth?

50wins would've also been the 3rd seed last season, and the season before.

Lebron stans talking about asterisks, funny stuff.

OP knows nothing about 80s basketball. He took the comment that Jordan was on the 8th best record team and assumed that meant the Bulls were 8th in their conference and hence struggled to get into the playoffs. A thread based on dishonesty continues... or the OP lacks basic google skills.

[Dragonyeuw]

Yet you praise peak Kobe's 2006 season, when he should've been MVP carrying bums right? Peak Kobe's 2006 season was a poor man's version of pre prime MJ's 1988 campaign:

Kobe's 35 / 5 / 5

v.s.

MJ's 35 / 6 / 6 and 3 SPG ... DPOY

Glad you posted this, because this is precisely what came to mind reading the first page. These folks criticizing MJ's 88 MVP as an 8th seed are the same type who piss and moan that Kobe didn't win in 2006 under similar conditions. And for the record, I do think Kobe was deserving in 2006, but the double standards on these board are hilarious.

[SHAQisGOAT]

This is the essence of it all. The Celtics were a far better team top to bottom. Remember, this was just a year or two removed from a top 3 team all time.

Far better? People are just reaching now... Better? Yes, but not far better by any means. Even proved by a 7-win difference, and that the Celtics were 0-2 vs them when Bird (their best player) didn't play.

Doesn't mean all that much what happened two seasons before...
McHale played through a broken foot in the 1987 playoffs and was never quite the same afterwards, didn't play constantly at his full strength and peak level ever again, couldn't always play (missed 20 regular-season games).
DJ was old and almost retired.
Sichting was not at the same level.
Walton and Wedman were gone and their bench was sub-par (Reggie Lewis didn't come into his own yet). Their starters were at a 31 years old average and playing more minutes than ever, tbh KC ran them down to the ground.

[K Xerxes]

Glad you posted this, because this is precisely what came to mind reading the first page. These folks criticizing MJ's 88 MVP as an 8th seed are the same type who piss and moan that Kobe didn't win in 2006 under similar conditions. And for the record, I do think Kobe was deserving in 2006, but the double standards on these board are hilarious.

Just to be clear:

87-88 Bulls: 50-32 3rd seed EC

05-06 Lakers: 45-37 7th seed WC

MJ led his team to a better record and seeding, put up better stats and won DPOY. Not the same situation.

[scandisk_]

who am i fan of then? jordan?

bruce, is dat u?

[mehyaM24]

- bird wins H2H statistically
- his team has a better record (won 7 more games)

yet jordan won the mvp? wait what?

not only that, but jordan won DPOY too, despite being an inferior defensive player to dennis rodman (who also had a better record), mchale (better record), and hakeem

what really changed from 1987 to 1988. seriously? bird still dicked jordan.

[guy]

Wow OP is a dumbass