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Phil of the Future
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Zero chance. Even if Randle has a way better college season, there's no way anybody passes on the potential of Wiggins.
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Off the Meds.
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by DStebb716
Zero chance. Even if Randle has a way better college season, there's no way anybody passes on the potential of Wiggins.
So it sounds like we have our Lebron and Carmelo for 2014...who's gonna be next years Darko Milicic?
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by MMKM
So it sounds like we have our Lebron and Carmelo for 2014...who's gonna be next years Darko Milicic?
Aaron Gordon
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Off the Meds.
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by Johnny Jones
Aaron Gordon
I don't think he'll go 2014
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NBA lottery pick
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by Johnny Jones
Aaron Gordon
I don't see him becoming a Darko - he showed he has quite a motor in the all star game this year when he had something to prove. I think he has a solid career in the league. There's no telling how much skill he'll build over the next few years, but he has the work ethic and athleticism to be a good player.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by LosBulls
This.
1. Size - They're about the same height/length while being a swingman instead of power forward. Randle in shoes is 6'9 with a 6'11 wingspan. Wiggins is a swingman with a larger wingspan and is only 1 inch shorter. That right there is a huge advantage. It's easier being 6'8 and defended by players like Iguodala or Melo, than it is being 6'9 and defended by the opposing team's best defensive big man in the post.
2. Athleticism - like someone already said, Randle at the high school level is a below the rim player (compared to Wiggins or Gordon at least). Yeah he's got the strength to bully high school players in the post at 250, but even the strongest players in the NBA need size and length to play the way he bangs in the post. We don't know how strong Randle will be against players like Zach Randolph or Blake Griffin. As for Wiggins, it's not only clear he has quickness and speed at the NBA level, it's measurable how he stacks up in terms of vertical (44 inches) and size (6'8 with a 7' wingspan - that's Tmac size almost, and on the perimeter).
3. Game flow/court awareness - Wiggins is more able to do his work in the flow of the game than Randle. Randle when you watch him, he sometimes goes into black hole mode where everytime he touches the ball, it's not going to anyone else for any reason. His tendency to force things might alienate teammates, but also results in his getting swatted sometimes because the defense knows he's going to shoot no matter what.
4. Defense - Wiggins (for now) tries harder on defense and plays better. He's no stopper or anything, but he steps up to challenges.
5. Transition play - just the advantage of being a perimeter player vs. a post player.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by Dave3
1. Size - They're about the same height/length while being a swingman instead of power forward. Randle in shoes is 6'9 with a 6'11 wingspan. Wiggins is a swingman with a larger wingspan and is only 1 inch shorter. That right there is a huge advantage. It's easier being 6'8 and defended by players like Iguodala or Melo, than it is being 6'9 and defended by the opposing team's best defensive big man in the post.
2. Athleticism - like someone already said, Randle at the high school level is a below the rim player (compared to Wiggins or Gordon at least). Yeah he's got the strength to bully high school players in the post at 250, but even the strongest players in the NBA need size and length to play the way he bangs in the post. We don't know how strong Randle will be against players like Zach Randolph or Blake Griffin. As for Wiggins, it's not only clear he has quickness and speed at the NBA level, it's measurable how he stacks up in terms of vertical (44 inches) and size (6'8 with a 7' wingspan - that's Tmac size almost, and on the perimeter).
3. Game flow/court awareness - Wiggins is more able to do his work in the flow of the game than Randle. Randle when you watch him, he sometimes goes into black hole mode where everytime he touches the ball, it's not going to anyone else for any reason. His tendency to force things might alienate teammates, but also results in his getting swatted sometimes because the defense knows he's going to shoot no matter what.
4. Defense - Wiggins (for now) tries harder on defense and plays better. He's no stopper or anything, but he steps up to challenges.
5. Transition play - just the advantage of being a perimeter player vs. a post player.
1. You like to leave out how much they weigh. Randle has 50 pounds on Wiggins. Then you say Wiggins will be guarded by guards like Melo, okay but he will also be guarded by the defensive specialist on the team, guys like Butler,Paul George,LeBron ect. On the other hand, Randle is going to have a field day overpowering guys like Gasol,Amare,Bargnani,Boozer,Griffin ect.
He will draw double teams and he will create mismatches because people compare him to Zbo yet Randle is more athletic and has 3 point range.
2. Even the strongest players in the NBA need size and length? Ever heard of a guy named Charles Barkley? Size is overrated at the PF position and even then Randle is at a good size.
3. Its Highschool, most of the time players like Randle have reasons to hog the ball, would it be to show off or prove something or maybe he doesn't have trust in his highschool teammates but there is always valid reasons for superstar highschool players.
4. Randle is big and athletic, defense will come naturally.
5. Randle isn't a strict post player, its offensive to call him that.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by LosBulls
1. You like to leave out how much they weigh. Randle has 50 pounds on Wiggins. Then you say Wiggins will be guarded by guards like Melo, okay but he will also be guarded by the defensive specialist on the team, guys like Butler,Paul George,LeBron ect. On the other hand, Randle is going to have a field day overpowering guys like Gasol,Amare,Bargnani,Boozer,Griffin ect.
He will draw double teams and he will create mismatches because people compare him to Zbo yet Randle is more athletic and has 3 point range.
2. Even the strongest players in the NBA need size and length? Ever heard of a guy named Charles Barkley? Size is overrated at the PF position and even then Randle is at a good size.
3. Its Highschool, most of the time players like Randle have reasons to hog the ball, would it be to show off or prove something or maybe he doesn't have trust in his highschool teammates but there is always valid reasons for superstar highschool players.
4. Randle is big and athletic, defense will come naturally.
5. Randle isn't a strict post player, its offensive to call him that.
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Bear Chested Da Brawn
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by LosBulls
1. You like to leave out how much they weigh. Randle has 50 pounds on Wiggins. Then you say Wiggins will be guarded by guards like Melo, okay but he will also be guarded by the defensive specialist on the team, guys like Butler,Paul George,LeBron ect. On the other hand, Randle is going to have a field day overpowering guys like Gasol,Amare,Bargnani,Boozer,Griffin ect.
He will draw double teams and he will create mismatches because people compare him to Zbo yet Randle is more athletic and has 3 point range.
2. Even the strongest players in the NBA need size and length? Ever heard of a guy named Charles Barkley? Size is overrated at the PF position and even then Randle is at a good size.
3. Its Highschool, most of the time players like Randle have reasons to hog the ball, would it be to show off or prove something or maybe he doesn't have trust in his highschool teammates but there is always valid reasons for superstar highschool players.
4. Randle is big and athletic, defense will come naturally.
5. Randle isn't a strict post player, its offensive to call him that.
weight is not a plus when you are in high school. if that's your main attribute against other high schoolers then you have very limited upside.
charles barkley had insane athleticism, randle ain't no where near that.
randle is not big or athletic by nba standard.
Josh smith, beasley, and griffin are about where Randle's ceiling is at and chances are he will materialize to be worse than all 3, on par with beasley probably.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
weight is not a plus when you are in high school. if that's your main attribute against other high schoolers then you have very limited upside.
charles barkley had insane athleticism, randle ain't no where near that.
randle is not big or athletic by nba standard.
Josh smith, beasley, and griffin are about where Randle's ceiling is at and chances are he will materialize to be worse than all 3, on par with beasley probably.
Beasley's as good as Griffin and JSmoove?!
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Learning to shoot layups
Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by Shade8780
Beasley's as good as Griffin and JSmoove?!
He could be if he wasn't and idiot, or high all the time.
But on topic, Parker will be the better of the 3. While he isn't the flashy athlete that Wiggins is, he isn't too shabby himself, plus he is lightyears ahead if him in terms of basketball IQ and skill. Not very often that a player with true point-forward potential comes out, and he has the potential to be a great one. I feel that if Wiggins underwhelms, and Parker, Randle, or Gordon even, ball out in college, he could lose that No. 1 pick status, even though it is unlikely.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Do you people ever consider defense, something Wiggins is really good at and can literally take over games defensively?
Kid is the best prospect since LeBron, just stop.
Randle and Jabari are great talent and the 2014 draft is very deep, but Wiggins will be the undisputed #1 pick.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
None of you phags would be saying this if your team got the number one pick next year. You'd be ranting about getting Wiggins. Don't forget that they are power forwards while he is a small. Their roles will be different.
I will say this. If Wiggins fails to show people that he has the heart to be the star of the show then his stock will drop.
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
wiggins is not a power forward ...
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Re: The #1 Pick in 2014 will be Julius Randle, NOT Wiggins
Originally Posted by WolfGang
None of you phags would be saying this if your team got the number one pick next year. You'd be ranting about getting Wiggins. Don't forget that they are power forwards while he is a small. Their roles will be different.
I will say this. If Wiggins fails to show people that he has the heart to be the star of the show then his stock will drop.
He's a 6'8 small forward.
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