Prime T-Mac abusing '03 Nets - 46 points, 13 assists and 10 rebounds

[eliteballer]

You are way, way overstating T-Mac's physical condition. NBA teams have their own medical staffs. The insurance companies which insure the contracts have their own medical staffs. They routinely find conditions on players way more obscure than scoliosis.

...yet we are to believe a high school coach knew more than them

Fact is...T-macs health issues didnt really start until he added a lot of weight in Houston which his body couldnt handle, and the injuries which really did him in were his knees.

[ShaqAttack3234]

TMAC was not past his prime in Houston....he just had to play in a system with one of the best centers in the league....that's the point most of you guy's are missing...TMAC was putting up great Numbers but his teams were horrible....and even when he had great teams (Houston) he still ruined chemistry and failed to make any post season impact.

Watch T-Mac from '06 on and tell me he was the same player that he was in Houston. The point is that when T-Mac was in his prime, he had scrub teams, except for 2005, and even then his team wasn't THAT good and he played very well in the playoffs.

So the Lakers "underachieved" after coming off of 3 straight NBA Finals and losing to the NBA Champions.. that's funny.....after all TMAC on a scrub team in the EAST (who would have never sniffed the postseason in the West) chokes again....but somehow his team overachieved???....

yes, the '03 Magic overachieved, that team was so horrible that I doubt they'd have even won 20 games without T-Mac, and they had no business winning more than 1 game max vs Detroit. For proof, look at game 2 when T-Mac scored 46 on 16/26 shooting and the rest of his team scored 31 points on 11/42 shooting.

And yes, the '03 Lakers underachieved. No way should that team have only won 50 games with 2 of the top 5 players in the league. A lot of that wasn't Kobe's fault and more of the blame falls on Shaq and an aging supporting cast, but Kobe has to get some blame as well.

He did play unbelievably well after December and carried the Lakers a lot, but he didn't play as well in the playoffs and certainly could've played better in the Spurs series.

anyone with a oz. of basketball knowlege could see Kobe was far and away a better allaround player and a much better defensive player...

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Kobe was a better defensive player, but he wasn't making some huge impact at that end consistently in 2003, as was usually the case when he was scoring a ton, he didn't consistently play his best defense. He would step up and play great defense at times, but then again, so did T-Mac. So defense isn't that big of an issue here.

Their scoring ability was close, and on his best night, Bryant was an even better scorer, but T-Mac was more consistent and efficient and did so without anyone to take pressure off of him and keep defenses from focusing entirely on him.

T-Mac was every bit as good of a passer and playmaker, if not better and rebounding was pretty much a wash.

NO I can clearly state Kobe was far and away a better player then TMAC...I knew it then and I sure know it now.

Oh well, if YOU can state it then I guess that's all that matters.

yet even when he played on Great teams he still had similar results

The version of T-Mac we saw in Orlando didn't have great teams so that's irrelevant to how good T-Mac was in his prime Orlando years.

...except when he was injured his teams did better without him...

Really? Hm, well lets see.

2006 Rockets
With McGrady- 27-20
Without McGrady- 7-28

2007 Rockets
With McGrady- 50-21
Without McGrady- 2-9

2008 Rockets
With McGrady- 46-20
Without McGrady- 9-7

Yeah, they were much better without him.

Just more of your B.S......Played with arguably the best Center in the NBA for 2 - 4 years and still failed miserably with a great team

Yao was the best center for just 2 years(2007 and 2008) and by that point, T-Mac wasn't the same player that he was in his prime. Not only that, but Yao missed 34 games in 2007 and then 27 games + the playoffs in 2008.

and to all these Kids blinded by flashy moves.....TMAC is like Adrian Dantley....I don't here anyone comparing him to the GOAT's of the 80's

Ironic coming from some clown whose biggest argument is always the word of the "casual fan".

01/03/06/07/08 Kobe> Any version of T-mac.

This statement can be corrected in two ways.

06/07/08 Kobe> Any version of T-mac.

or...

01/03/06/07/08 Kobe> Any version of T-mac except 03.

[juju151111]

Watch T-Mac from '06 on and tell me he was the same player that he was in Houston. The point is that when T-Mac was in his prime, he had scrub teams, except for 2005, and even then his team wasn't THAT good and he played very well in the playoffs.



yes, the '03 Magic overachieved, that team was so horrible that I doubt they'd have even won 20 games without T-Mac, and they had no business winning more than 1 game max vs Detroit. For proof, look at game 2 when T-Mac scored 46 on 16/26 shooting and the rest of his team scored 31 points on 11/42 shooting.

And yes, the '03 Lakers underachieved. No way should that team have only won 50 games with 2 of the top 5 players in the league. A lot of that wasn't Kobe's fault and more of the blame falls on Shaq and an aging supporting cast, but Kobe has to get some blame as well.

He did play unbelievably well after December and carried the Lakers a lot, but he didn't play as well in the playoffs and certainly could've played better in the Spurs series.

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Kobe was a better defensive player, but he wasn't making some huge impact at that end consistently in 2003, as was usually the case when he was scoring a ton, he didn't consistently play his best defense. He would step up and play great defense at times, but then again, so did T-Mac. So defense isn't that big of an issue here.

Their scoring ability was close, and on his best night, Bryant was an even better scorer, but T-Mac was more consistent and efficient and did so without anyone to take pressure off of him and keep defenses from focusing entirely on him.

T-Mac was every bit as good of a passer and playmaker, if not better and rebounding was pretty much a wash.



Oh well, if YOU can state it then I guess that's all that matters.



The version of T-Mac we saw in Orlando didn't have great teams so that's irrelevant to how good T-Mac was in his prime Orlando years.



Really? Hm, well lets see.

2006 Rockets
With McGrady- 27-20
Without McGrady- 7-28

2007 Rockets
With McGrady- 50-21
Without McGrady- 2-9

2008 Rockets
With McGrady- 46-20
Without McGrady- 9-7

Yeah, they were much better without him.




Yao was the best center for just 2 years(2007 and 2008) and by that point, T-Mac wasn't the same player that he was in his prime. Not only that, but Yao missed 34 games in 2007 and then 27 games + the playoffs in 2008.



Ironic coming from some clown whose biggest argument is always the word of the "casual fan".



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[lilojmayo]

I think the reason we embrace him so much and even overrate him at times is because assuming he wasn't injury prone and didn't play with such bad talent no question dude would have at least a ring. Nobody realizes this guy arguably was better than PRIME Kobe. Kobe is now moving into talks as the 2nd best SG ever and moving up the GOAT list. Imagine if Tracy could stay healthy, was on a great team and worked as hard as Kobe? He would of been right there next to Kobe right now as the 2nd best SG's ever.

Tracy was a bigger Kobe who was a superior playmaker and IMO smarter all around player. Tracy also could block shots on a regular basis.

How exactly is Tmac overrated? He is the most talented basketball player ever, that underachieved in his NBA career due to injuries and some say work ethic.

[millwad]

How exactly is Tmac overrated? He is the most talented basketball player ever, that underachieved in his NBA career due to injuries and some say work ethic.

Haha, Liloj, easy homeby!

[RRR3]

How exactly is Tmac overrated? He is the most talented basketball player ever, that underachieved in his NBA career due to injuries and some say work ethic.

[chips93]

How exactly is Tmac overrated? He is the most talented basketball player ever, that underachieved in his NBA career due to injuries and some say work ethic.

this

except it depends on if you consider a good mentality a 'talent'