How amazing is it that Kobe was as efficient as Duncan?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe is nowhere near Duncan when it comes to all time ranking. Id put Duncan as high as #5, but Kobe is the consensus #12.

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[PickernRoller]

Consensus for sure the thread will continue.

BUMP.

[Manny98]

Good for him

Still much less efficient than the real GOAT scorers like LeBron & KD so....

[PickernRoller]

The only thing they're GOAT at is losing Finals and racking up losing years on their career clock...

[Doranku]

Admit what? Their performances weren't even comparable. Duncan was the defensive anchor of the Spurs' dynasty. His hallmark was defense and he still had a better offensive game than 2010 Kobe (a bad defender at that point) did.

Had Duncan played as poorly as Kobe did, he would certainly have admitted he did. But your mistake is false equivalence.

Kobe was great defensively in the 2010 finals. You have no idea what you're talking about.

25/11/3 on 27 shots
23/15/2 on 24 shots

How are those performances not comparable? lol

[tpols]

Kobe was great defensively in the 2010 finals. You have no idea what you're talking about.

25/11/3 on 27 shots
23/15/2 on 24 shots

How are those performances not comparable? lol

Wow... worse across the board.

I didn't even know that..I guess because there was never an agenda against Timmy, no one ever brought it up.

If Kobe wasn't hated by media he'd likely be a consensus top 3 GOAT but what that one guy said was right, Colorado killed his media rep.

He only got spotlight as "the bad guy"

[ralph_i_el]

Imagine thinking that you could judge Duncan based on his scoring efficiency.

Think about how many buckets Duncan stopped in his career that would have gone un-stopped with a lesser defender. Think about how many wide open buckets the Spurs got over the years from having a genius IQ frontcourt player. Think about every role player that was more comfortable and confident playing besides one of the best teammates and leaders of all time.

Frontcourt guys who play both ends of the floor at an elite intellectual level are way rarer than genius guards. It's just a much smaller pool of players competing for these spots. The difference between Duncan and the replacement-level big is bigger than the difference between Kobe and a replacement shooting guard.

Of course Kobe is a top-20 player and Pop is a top-5 coach. If Duncan never existed, Kobe probably wins more rings and Pop isn't the legend he became.

[ArbitraryWater]

Admit what? Their performances weren't even comparable. Duncan was the defensive anchor of the Spurs' dynasty. His hallmark was defense and he still had a better offensive game than 2010 Kobe (a bad defender at that point) did.

Had Duncan played as poorly as Kobe did, he would certainly have admitted he did. But your mistake is false equivalence.

He shot like shit, but like KL, I dont think he'd point it out publically.

[SouBeachTalents]

I remember a made a thread about this once. Kobe gets trashed to this day about 6/24, but I've never seen anyone bring up Duncan's performance in the same exact circumstance

Kobe: 23/15/2 on 6/24 with 4 TO's
Duncan: 25/11/3 on 10/27 with 5 TO's

[ScalsFan21]

I remember a made a thread about this once. Kobe gets trashed to this day about 6/24, but I've never seen anyone bring up Duncan's performance in the same exact circumstance

Kobe: 23/15/2 on 6/24 with 4 TO's
Duncan: 25/11/3 on 10/27 with 5 TO's

Think that was me too.

That's not to say Duncan doesn't do other things very well even when he's not shooting well from the floor, but when you shoot 10/27 on two-pointers with that much help in a home Game 7 of the NBA Finals, that's worth noting. We do need to put it into context with DET elite defense, but it's still something that would be used against any active star if they were in top 5-10 talks all-time.

Especially when you consider that any fair eye test puts Manu right there at 1b for FMVP in '05.

[rmt]

Think that was me too.

That's not to say Duncan doesn't do other things very well even when he's not shooting well from the floor, but when you shoot 10/27 on two-pointers with that much help in a home Game 7 of the NBA Finals, that's worth noting. We do need to put it into context with DET elite defense, but it's still something that would be used against any active star if they were in top 5-10 talks all-time.

Especially when you consider that any fair eye test puts Manu right there at 1b for FMVP in '05.

With the defensive focus on Duncan:

2005 NBA Finals
Duncan 20.6 pts 14.1 rebs 2.1 asst 2.1 blks
Manu 18.7pts 5.9 rebs 4 asst

Duncan's 12 points and six rebounds in the third quarter of Game
7 put the Spurs in control, a factor that carried significant
weight in the minds of the six voters -- one each from Detroit and
San Antonio, two from national NBA writers and two from
broadcasters (all of them Americans) -- who cast their ballots for
Duncan late in the fourth quarter of Game 7. Ginobili's four votes
came from online balloting, one national NBA writer and one beat
writer each from San Antonio and Detroit.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2181970

[FKAri]

The only thing he's as efficient as Duncan in is fathering boys.

[rmt]

The only thing he's as efficient as Duncan in is fathering boys.

Duncan is 1/3
Kobe is 0/3

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe was great defensively in the 2010 finals. You have no idea what you're talking about.

25/11/3 on 27 shots
23/15/2 on 24 shots

How are those performances not comparable? lol

No, he was awful defensively. And played considerably worse in game 7 than Duncan did.

[LAmbruh]

Timmy fans absolutely tee'ing off on brick stains



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