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    Default Re: Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by HurricaneKid
    This is an INCREDIBLY absurd post.

    In order for teams to double MJ they literally had to almost announce that they were doubling him, were not permitted to not come all the way over to double or to veer of course or it would have been illegal defense. Defenses were forced to defend Rodman at the 3 pt line or it would have been illegal defense. The league refused to allow defenses to defend because they knew it would impact their stars in an enormous way. Now a days you see guys like Iggy winning FMVP because defenses would prefer to buttress key players with their defensive resources rather than defend lesser offensive players. Its a completely different game now and the elite players have absolutely had their contributions minimized by defenses that can stop them if it wants to. That just wasn't the case in Jordan's day.

    MJ absolutely had a bigger impact. But a big portion of that was the age he played in. MJs impact would be far less today than it was when defenses weren't permitted to defend him. ISO ball is now the most inefficient brand of basketball possible. Back then that's almost exclusively what was played.
    Do you even know what you're typing?

    This is some of the most idiotic shit attempting to be a serious post I've seen in a long time.

    Le Bron's game is entirely ISO
    Harden's game is entirely ISO
    Westbrook's game is entirely ISO

    The list goes on and on and on and on.

    MJ actually did most of his damage OFF-the ball coming off screens and quick attacks.

    Only an idiot would believe otherwise.

    You'll only get exposed by people that are actually old enough to understand the game if you keep fakin the funk.

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    Default Re: Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by andgar923

    Le Bron's game is entirely ISO
    Harden's game is entirely ISO
    Westbrook's game is entirely ISO

    The list goes on and on and on and on.

    MJ actually did most of his damage OFF-the ball coming off screens and quick attacks.
    Exactly - Lebron isolated the entire 2015 Finals, and since he's a bad isolation player with no moves and horrible jumper, he only shot 39.8%
















    [COLOR="DarkRed"]That shit is ugly af[/COLOR] - i don't know how he's compared to Jordan.

    Of course, Lebron enjoys SPACING, so help defenders on his iso's were further away than Jordan's help defenders were - that's obvious from the gifs
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    Default Re: Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

    That was James' 5th Finals appearance in a row and had to carry his team even more due to injuries. Only the 2nd player in NBA history receive FMVP votes in a losing cause.

    MJ never played in 5 straight Finals cause he quit instead of challenging himself to do so.....twice.

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    Default Re: Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by andgar923
    Do you even know what you're typing?

    This is some of the most idiotic shit attempting to be a serious post I've seen in a long time.

    Le Bron's game is entirely ISO
    Harden's game is entirely ISO
    Westbrook's game is entirely ISO

    The list goes on and on and on and on.

    MJ actually did most of his damage OFF-the ball coming off screens and quick attacks.

    Only an idiot would believe otherwise.

    You'll only get exposed by people that are actually old enough to understand the game if you keep fakin the funk.
    I'm amazed you were able to type so many words with what is clearly an IQ in the 40s. Don't bother responding. I refuse to risk catching stupidity from you and are placing you on ignore.

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    Default Re: Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by HurricaneKid





    Rodman spent time at the 3 point line because back then his defender was required to be above the FT line

    That's the same as today's defender - when an offensive player is behind the 3-point line, their defender must stay above the foul line to abide by defensive 3 seconds.

    Today's defender plays exactly the same way when their man is behind the 3-point line as Rodman in the gif above - the defender hovers at or above the FT line to abide by defensive 3 seconds.


    Quote Originally Posted by HurricaneKid


    So Rodman at the 3 pt line meant a big was at least 18 feet from the basket.

    Again, that's the same as today's defender, who stays above the foul line to abide by defensive 3 seconds.

    So defenders position themselves the same way in both eras when their man is BEHIND the 3-point line.

    Now when a defender's man is INSIDE the 3-point line but above the foul line, defenders in previous eras had the advantage, since they could paint camp indefinitely inside the dotted line area, while today's defenders only have the aforementioned 3 seconds.. Here's an example of Adrian Dantley paint-camping inside the dotted line area, and here's the rule allowing him to do so from NBA.com:

    [COLOR="Red"]d.[/COLOR] Offensive player above foul line and inside circle must be played by defender inside dotted line.

    http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html


    Quote Originally Posted by HurricaneKid

    If he wanted to double team a player it HAD to be the player with the ball and he had to go directly to him.
    In previous eras, the lack of 3-point shooting left defenders all bunched up together in close proximity, so double-teaming only required taking a step or two over, like Bill Walton in this example.

    But in today's game, defenders are spaced out by 3-pointers - this necessitates shadowing and halfway double-teaming so defenders can stand in the same spots that the bunched-up defenders of previous eras were already standing.

    Now let's get back to your point original point about defenders (in both eras) standing above the FT line to guard the 3-point line - the lack of 3-point shooting in previous eras meant that defenders RARELY had to stand above the foul line and could remain in the paint instead.. The packed paints and legal hand-checking made penetration more difficult back then, which is why the league stated that easier penetration was the primary objective of the new rules introduced in 2005.

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