why dont Wilt era fans like to brag about 6-5 Elgin Baylor averaging 19.8 rebounds

[fpliii]

I thought that it had been established for a while that the only individual stat that was inflated in the 60's is rebounding. This thread is not really news.

Probably shot-blocking as well (though we have very few numbers from the early 60s anyway), but rebounding is most of it.

[MavsSuperFan]

The NFL has no faster players today than the fastest of the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. Henry Childs, Bob Hayes, Cliff Branch, OJ Simpson, Mel Gray, Hershel Walker, Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green.

Bigger, yes. So what? Give the players of the 60's the same diets and weight-training programs, and they would be much bigger too.

The most powerful HR hitter of all-time? None other than Mickey Mantle, who was 5-11 and weighed 190 lbs. And give Nolan Ryan the SAME radar gun used TODAY, and he would be the fastest pitcher in the game today.

You are insane.

The reason Jim Brown was considered amazing is cause he was running against tackles that were slightly smaller than him. Brown in today's NFL would be at best Jerome Bettis

Mickey Mantle would not be anywhere close to the most powerful homerun hitter of all time

[stanlove1111]

Wilt had his big scoring years before 1967. Of course, I'm not including his 1967+1968 seasons, when he still averaged 24 ppg, but on elite efficiency + all-around brilliance.

As for Wilt vs Reed: Reed was a C as a rookie (hadn't teammed with Bellamy yet) and Wilt did the following against him:

52/21/3
41/21/6
36/22/6
58/22/5
46/18
41/32
29/17
29/13/0
37/32/2 (14-22 FG)
30/18/2 (9-15 FG)
37/28/3 (18-30 FG)

They never again faced each other until Wilt lessened his scoring (although he still outplayed Reed in 1969). But Reed wasn't stopping high scoring Wilt. And, though I don't have Wilt's FG%'s from all games, I have the majority of them, and Wilt shot 154-287. Suffice to say, rookie (but still 20/15 level) Reed didn't fare that well at all.

.

That is one of the things that bothers me about you Wilt backers. When he doesn't scare a lot against someone you just pass it off to Wilt taking a lesser role in scoring. But when you talk about his monster scoring games you don't mention that he was shooting more then anyone else ever. You want it both ways.

[sd3035]

His fake feats of strength were about as credible as his 20 000 women

[QUOTE]Doug Krikorian:

[CavaliersFTW]

His fake feats of strength were about as credible as his 20 000 women

Not comparable. Wilt is the only one who ever claimed 20,000 where as Wilt rarely even mentioned his own strength, it is OTHERS who marveled at his strength and told about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk

it's no myth, you can see him tossing guys around like rag dolls or doing lat pull downs on an entire rack even in the limited footage we have, and there is first hand testimony after testimony from sources like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bob Lanier, etc.

[pudman13]

address 6-5 baylors 20 rpg

You do realize that Dennis Rodman's only an inch taller than Baylor, right?

[CavaliersFTW]

You do realize that Dennis Rodman's only an inch taller than Baylor, right?

and Rodman weighed about 15lbs less than Elgin, also important to note

[sd3035]

Not comparable. Wilt is the only one who ever claimed 20,000 where as Wilt rarely even mentioned his own strength, it is OTHERS who marveled at his strength and told about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk

it's no myth, you can see him tossing guys around like rag dolls or doing lat pull downs on an entire rack even in the limited footage we have, and there is first hand testimony after testimony from sources like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bob Lanier, etc.

Do you believe all the stories in the bible?

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you believe all the stories in the bible?

All what stories, and how would anything in the bible (written by scribes several lifetimes after all alleged events even happened) be at all comparable to the subject at hand

[pudman13]

and Rodman weighed about 15lbs less than Elgin, also important to note

Baylor and Gus Johnson would be beasts in today's game, and most certainly would play PF at 6'5" and 6'6", just as Barkley and Rodman did.

[sd3035]

All what stories, and how would anything in the bible (written by scribes several lifetimes after all alleged events even happened) be at all comparable to the subject at hand

both are just hearsay

[CavaliersFTW]

Baylor and Gus Johnson would be beasts in today's game, and most certainly would play PF at 6'5" and 6'6", just as Barkley and Rodman did.

Baylor was a small forward though, actually he was more accurately a positionless player as most great forwards are, he had a great full court handle, he brought the ball up the court when other teams would press. He was a big body inside when he wanted to rebound (or post up for that matter) but he had all the finesse and agility of smaller forwards so more akin to just another Larry Bird or Lebron in that sense. Gus was actually also very versatile but he was so long in the arms and big and strong he probably would be stuck into the PF spot just because that's where his strengths lie, but I've even got footage of him playing 'positionless' ball in college, where he's just doing everything. In that sense he sorta reminds me of a Charles Barkley, who played PF but in reality he also looked pretty positionless himself.

[CavaliersFTW]

both are just hearsay

Incorrect.

Hearsay is where the witness does not have direct knowledge of the fact asserted, but knows it only from being told by someone.

Those people talking about Wilt, are persons who have personally seen something happen and so can give a first-hand description of it. They are Eyewitnesses.

Hearsay is inadmissable in a court of law, where as eyewitnesses testimony is.

See? You learned something new today

[sd3035]

Incorrect.

Hearsay is where the witness does not have direct knowledge of the fact asserted, but knows it only from being told by someone.

Those people talking about Wilt, are persons who have personally seen something happen and so can give a first-hand description of it. They are Eyewitnesses.

Hearsay is inadmissable in a court of law, where as eyewitnesses testimony is.

See? You learned something new today

so, in other words, they're both just hearsay

[swagga]

Jerry Lucas would average about the same amount of rpg as Kevin Love. BTW, those two were/are nearly identical in almost every aspect of their games.

How about this... a 36 year old Chamberlain, in his LAST season, and in a post-season in which he played 17 games...AVERAGED 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg.

TODAY's NBA is averaging 42.9 rpg.

Let's do the math, shall we?

42.9 / 50.6 = 85%.

85% of 22.5 = 19.1 rpg.

This from an OLD Wilt, in his LAST season.

why don't you use rebound rate and pace to truly compute that number? You'd be surprised.