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Old 03-02-2013, 05:28 AM   #16
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Default Re: If OKC Could Do It Over Again, Would They Still Trade James Harden?

Like everyone said Harden is not doing this on the Thunder team as a 3rd option behind Westbrook and Durant. OKC still has to see who they get from the draft picks but the smarter things to do would have been using Harden to get rid of Perkins contract and actually get an all star caliber player in return.
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:56 AM   #17
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It is such a waste to keep someone like Harden as 3rd option. They should have traded him for someone better.

They got a lottery pick, an expiring contract and a young talent. Time will tell how good this deal is for them.
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:04 AM   #18
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they wouldn't give him max. There is no way they could have kept him.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:34 AM   #19
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They could easily package Perkins and the Toronto pick (potentially top 10) + PJ3/Lamb for a great C in the offseason.

But overall they are idiots who should have showcased Harden and used him and Perkins to get an awesome center.

Whatever, you live, you learn.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:39 AM   #20
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harden showed glimpses of unstoppable scoring last year, but i think him disappearing in the finals had a lot to do with letting him go.

but then he comes out this year and explodes.

oklahoma would had been crazy competitive if they had kept all 3 together.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:58 AM   #21
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Default Re: If OKC Could Do It Over Again, Would They Still Trade James Harden?

I think they still would. It shows the power of what the new CBA has done. Teams just do not want to pay that huge luxury tax.

From the beginning, I felt dealing Harden was a bad decision because I have always felt Harden was a supremely talented player, and was a very very versatile player on OKC. But I now understand why they did it.

We saw it in the Rudy Gay deal. Teams do not want to pay. We saw it in the trade deadline. No significant deals made because no one wants to take on big contracts with guaranteed money.

Teams are finally doing what everyone has wanted them to do. Teams were over spending and paying bad deals to subpar players. And now that they are making a conscious effort not to do so, and people are complaining about it? Bad deals are being shelled out still, but it will go down as the cap ramifications come.

The new CBA has changed the NBA, for better or worse.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:21 AM   #22
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Default Re: If OKC Could Do It Over Again, Would They Still Trade James Harden?

It doesn't matter how good Harden plays for another team.. it only matters how he played for OKC. And how he would fit within that team.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:55 AM   #23
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Default Re: If OKC Could Do It Over Again, Would They Still Trade James Harden?

OKC still has some trade assets (Lamb, Jones, Toronto's pick, Martin's expiring contract) to make a move in the off-season and get better at the SG position.
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:09 AM   #24
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A bigger mistake was standing pat at the trade deadline. Should of went after Jefferson trade assets don't mean shit if you're ready to win now and don't use team. Imagine Jefferson and Ibaka against the cheat in the finals.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:21 PM   #25
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Default Re: If OKC Could Do It Over Again, Would They Still Trade James Harden?

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They should have traded him for someone better.
This.

Actually, I would have traded Westbrook for two or three of the following 4: a good PG who doesn't need the ball too much; a good big man; a Kevin Martin-type; a lottery pick.

And despite this trade, they're still probably the best team in the league right now other than maybe Miami. They didn't need both Harden and Westbrook, and they won't. But with such a surplus of talent, hell, they probably could have gotten themselves some really potent pieces and been more than a 4-man team with good roleplayers.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:26 AM   #26
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A bigger mistake was standing pat at the trade deadline. Should of went after Jefferson trade assets don't mean shit if you're ready to win now and don't use team. Imagine Jefferson and Ibaka against the cheat in the finals.

Maybe they did go after Jefferson. Jazz don't want Perkins! They might have taken Martin but the Thunder probably wouldn't want to do that. What other deal was there?
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:53 AM   #27
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Maybe they did go after Jefferson. Jazz don't want Perkins! They might have taken Martin but the Thunder probably wouldn't want to do that. What other deal was there?
I think Thunder fans forget that Utah actually has a say in trade proposals.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:25 AM   #28
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I doubt Presti is looking at a Thunder team that is 42-16 with Martin playing his role very well and Durant having one of the best offensive series ever and 2nd guessing himself.

They knew what they were doing. Get worse in the short term (this year)...but still have a good chance at the title...

We've got no shot at the title with Kendrick Cuntkins starting as our C.

**** that guy.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:41 AM   #29
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Yes, they knew who they traded. This is not some surprise.

This isn't Jermaine O'Neal who was sitting at the end of the bench in Portland, than goes to Indiana and becomes a superstar. Harden was their third best player, got the minutes, the shine, the fame, ect. Dude was an Olympian.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:58 AM   #30
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I think they still would. It shows the power of what the new CBA has done. Teams just do not want to pay that huge luxury tax.

From the beginning, I felt dealing Harden was a bad decision because I have always felt Harden was a supremely talented player, and was a very very versatile player on OKC. But I now understand why they did it.

We saw it in the Rudy Gay deal. Teams do not want to pay. We saw it in the trade deadline. No significant deals made because no one wants to take on big contracts with guaranteed money.

Teams are finally doing what everyone has wanted them to do. Teams were over spending and paying bad deals to subpar players. And now that they are making a conscious effort not to do so, and people are complaining about it? Bad deals are being shelled out still, but it will go down as the cap ramifications come.

The new CBA has changed the NBA, for better or worse.

There is a very distinct difference between OKC trading Harden and Memphis trading Gay. Memphis is/was not on the cusp of a 22 year old core dynasty that could have potential won several rings over the next decade.

I have no problem with what Memphis did. But OKC... That's just not good ownership.
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