Outside of shooting, is there anything Kyrie is better than John Wall at?

[G-train]

Wait, are we certain that Kyrie is a better isolation scorer than Wall??


Lets atleast debate that.

Yes because Irving has dropped 41 using isolation under the highest possible pressure in the NBA. And also throughout the playoffs. His range is also unlimited.

Wall couldn't do that against the 76ers.

I don't really care what the advanced metrics show during the regular.

What's DONE is DONE.

[Dray n Klay]

Scoring stats (2015-2016 season)



Kyrie

19.6 ppg



John Wall

19.9 ppg

[CTbasketball92]

Scoring stats (2015-2016 season)



Kyrie

19.6 ppg



John Wall

19.9 ppg

Injury* and Wall crumbles in the playofs when it comes to efficiency, even when his supporting cast was pretty damn solid.

[GrapeApe]

Scoring stats (2015-2016 season)



Kyrie

19.6 ppg



John Wall

19.9 ppg

Career averages:

Irving: 21 ppg on 56%TS

Wall: 18 ppg on 51%TS

There's no question that Irving is the better and more efficient scorer.

[Dray n Klay]

Career averages:

Irving: 21 ppg on 56%TS

Wall: 18 ppg on 51%TS

There's no question that Irving is the better and more efficient scorer.

Whos the better player?

[DaHeezy]

Kyrie has those handles that gives him escapability.

As for the argument Wall average more. That's due to him being the number one option. Kyrie on the Wizards would score 25.

[Lebron23]

Kyrie is a better fit with LeBron. LeBron and his team is also capable of winning a title with Wall.

Just give LeBron a top 15-20 player in the NBA, and just give him the chip.

[jlip]

Wall would be a great fit for Melo.

[GrapeApe]

Whos the better player?

If you had asked me that question in April I might have said Wall, but what Irving did in the playoffs is better than anything we've seen from Wall. In 18 career playoff games Wall is averaging under 18 ppg on a dreadful 38% shooting and 47%TS. Not good.

[ralph_i_el]

If I already have LeBronz give me Kyrie.

If I have a great off-ball scorer give me Wall

[ralph_i_el]

If you had asked me that question in April I might have said Wall, but what Irving did in the playoffs is better than anything we've seen from Wall. In 18 career playoff games Wall is averaging under 18 ppg on a dreadful 38% shooting and 47%TS. Not good.

Yet Wall has led fairly weak teams into the second round. His playoff stats may look pretty bad, but he's the engine that makes the team go.

[DukeDelonte13]

winning championships.

[ralph_i_el]

Yes because Irving has dropped 41 using isolation under the highest possible pressure in the NBA. And also throughout the playoffs. His range is also unlimited.

Wall couldn't do that against the 76ers.

I don't really care what the advanced metrics show during the regular.

What's DONE is DONE.

Wall dropped 47 points on Tony Allen and the Griz

[ClipperRevival]

Is this a trick question there you OP troll?

* GOAT level ball handling
* GOAT level finisher as a PG
* Far superior ability to break down set defenders in half court sets
* Just a far superior offensive player, which is the biggest premium in bball, especially in the playoffs, when the game slows down and you have to create in half court sets against set defenders and set defenses

[ralph_i_el]

Is this a trick question there you OP troll?

* GOAT level ball handling
* GOAT level finisher as a PG
* Far superior ability to break down set defenders in half court sets
* Just a far superior offensive player, which is the biggest premium in bball, especially in the playoffs, when the game slows down and you have to create in half court sets against set defenders and set defenses

It's much easier to score when you rarely look to pass....

Plus...no D

Cavs didn't even really see a drop off in +/- when Delly came on because he was so much better than Kyrie on D