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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Originally Posted by icewill36
I think it's clear now dwill Is a system player and his success was largely because of jerry sloans system.
it makes me wonder about John Stockton also
Except that Stockton and Malone were stars before Jerry was their coach. They arguably played their best ball against the Lakers in the '88 playoffs when they were out running showtime. I'd say Sloan's half court game was actually a detriment to their numbers. This idea that they were great because of Sloan is laughable. The fact that Sloan went from first to 3rd(also did this in the Deron era) with two of the greats tells me they made Sloan not the other way around as seems to be the popular belief
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WIND DEFENDER
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
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Seething...
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Offensively, it's close. But the gap in defense is what separates the two.
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Peak D Will was BEAST! And he WASN'T a system player by any stretch! In terms of total scoring skillset, he doesn't take a backseat to ANY PG EVER! I'm not saying he's the best scoring PG ever. I'm talking in terms of his SKILLSET scoring the rock.
So if you chose D Will over CP3, it would be because you prefer his size and scoring skillset. BECAUSE IN GENERAL, CP3 was just as good or better than D Will scoring, passing, rebounding, and defending. And I consider CP3 as arguably the most complete PG ever. Only PG's FOR SURE I could see over CP3 peak wise are Magic, Big O, Curry, and Westbrook. With Isiah and Kidd being arguable. So NO D Will was never better than CP3! But D Will was still a beast nonetheless and ARGUABLY a top 10-15 PG of all time peak wise.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Originally Posted by bizil
Peak D Will was BEAST! And he WASN'T a system player by any stretch! In terms of total scoring skillset, he doesn't take a backseat to ANY PG EVER! I'm not saying he's the best scoring PG ever. I'm talking in terms of his SKILLSET scoring the rock.
So if you chose D Will over CP3, it would be because you prefer his size and scoring skillset. BECAUSE IN GENERAL, CP3 was just as good or better than D Will scoring, passing, rebounding, and defending. And I consider CP3 as arguably the most complete PG ever. Only PG's FOR SURE I could see over CP3 peak wise are Magic, Big O, Curry, and Westbrook. With Isiah and Kidd being arguable. So NO D Will was never better than CP3! But D Will was still a beast nonetheless and ARGUABLY a top 10-15 PG of all time peak wise.
He was absolutely a system player...he didn't do shit after He left the Jazz and didn't have Sloan in his ear telling him what play to run.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Originally Posted by Smoke117
He was absolutely a system player...he didn't do shit after He left the Jazz and didn't have Sloan in his ear telling him what play to run.
to be fair, it looked like he mailed it in on the Nets
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
The INJURY BUG starting getting to D Will BIG TIME with the Nets. IT WASN'T about being a system player. He should have been in the peak of his career with the Nets. BUT the injuries took away him being a top 3 PG in the world. Assists numbers INITIALLY is where he took the hit. His scoring was JUST AS GOOD as his Utah days. However as I stated before, the INJURIES is what cost D Will NOT a system.
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Originally Posted by AintNoSunshine
One of my fav back in the day. A big PG who can shoot the lights out and has a killer crossover to get to the rim whenever he wants.
He wasn't better than Chris Paul but he did have Chris Paul number H2H.
Good point! He was a tough matchup for CP3 because of his scoring skillset and size. And D Will AT HIS PEAK had one of the most devastating scoring arsenals of any PG EVER! D Will was also a very good defender as well.
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Life goes on.
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Deron was a ****ing monster... not just saying this as an Illinois fanboy. I think Deron was a nightmare match up for CP and would own him. If there was ever a head 2 head match up like Magic vs Bird involving Deron and CP, Deron might have been regarded as the better player.
However, on most teams, I think CP3 is better. I just think Deron is very underrated. You get injured, you get traded, whatever, and it kinda kills your legacy.
However 2: Deron never got a shot like CP had. I would like to believe he could have done well with the Clippers. So maybe Deron is better.
CP is better at playing with garbage though.
Also, he was good at defense. Just not good at stealing.
-Smak
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Good college starter
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
d will at his peak was unstoppable.
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College superstar
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
He was good. Went to the Western finals.
Something CP3 has yet to done
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Serious playground baller
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Peak CP3 > Peak Williams
For a couple years early in their careers, it was debatable who was better, but I leaned more towards Paul. By 2008, it was clear Paul was better.
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The Wizard
Re: Deron Williams at his best was better than Chris Paul
Originally Posted by bizil
Peak D Will was BEAST! And he WASN'T a system player by any stretch! In terms of total scoring skillset, he doesn't take a backseat to ANY PG EVER! I'm not saying he's the best scoring PG ever. I'm talking in terms of his SKILLSET scoring the rock.
So if you chose D Will over CP3, it would be because you prefer his size and scoring skillset. BECAUSE IN GENERAL, CP3 was just as good or better than D Will scoring, passing, rebounding, and defending. And I consider CP3 as arguably the most complete PG ever. Only PG's FOR SURE I could see over CP3 peak wise are Magic, Big O, Curry, and Westbrook. With Isiah and Kidd being arguable. So NO D Will was never better than CP3! But D Will was still a beast nonetheless and ARGUABLY a top 10-15 PG of all time peak wise.
Westbrook
Lets see what he does with his own team this year
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