Lebron vs. Durant - Analyzing every possession

[Bladers]

Should extra points be awarded for scoring on each other or just keep it the same through out?

Yep extra points.

Lebron about to be slaughtered, not surprised their fanboys are against this.

[chairman]

Should extra points be awarded for scoring on each other or just keep it the same through out?

Yes extra points

[LamarOdom]

Make it like this (scoring)

0,5pt= 1/ft
1pt= 2pt fg
2pt= 3pt fg

Then if the points scored was made while guarded by the other one extra point awarded.

[zizozain]

no points for mental errors?

[Grinder]

Make it like this (scoring)

0,5pt= 1/ft
1pt= 2pt fg
2pt= 3pt fg

Then if the points scored was made while guarded by the other one extra point awarded.

Too little importance on points then IMO.

no points for mental errors?

Too arbitrary to label something a mental error/not.

Thanks to everyone for the input. I took all your suggestions into consideration and settled on this:

+3 bonus for any basket scored in the final 2 minutes of the game if the difference is ≤5 points
+2 for each foul drawn, blocked shot, steal on the other
+2 for each assist
+1 for any pass leading to free throws
+1 for each rebound/assist/steal/block on anyone else etc.
+1 for each point scored on anyone else
+1 bonus for scoring on each other
-1 for getting scored on by anyone else
-1 for a shooting foul or foul in the opposing half
-1 for a missed shot
-2 for a turnover
-2 for a technical/flagrant foul

You can find it here - it'll be updated live at every commercial break.


If you guys feel that the system is broken or don't agree with it, we can always tweak it after the game and I can go back and fix it/rewatch it on the DVR.

[Jasi]

^ I think you give too many points for assists.
+2 for an assist? Too much. Same with +1 for passes that lead to free throws.
I'd make it +1 and +0.5 respectively, otherwise increase the points for scoring.

[Grinder]

^ I think you give too many points for assists.
+2 for an assist? Too much. Same with +1 for passes that lead to free throws.
I'd make it +1 and +0.5 respectively, otherwise increase the points for scoring.

Fair enough, I'll change an assist to +1. Hmm, I'll have to think about changing a pass that leads to free throws to .5.

[Lord Leoshes]

Grinder

How would you rate the defensive end?

[LoneyROY7]

A freaking point system?

You motherf***ers are crazy.

[Inactive]

stats are never objective, they only sum up things without saying anything about the context.

They are objective.

If you score 4 points, and another guy scored 6, he outscored you. There's nothing subjective about that (unless you want to be incredibly nit picky).

When you interpret that information "Oh well I scored my points on difficult shots, while the game was on the line. He scored his on assisted layups, in garbage minutes. Therefor my 4 > his 6." it becomes subjective. Both stats (objective), and interpretation (subjective) are important.

[dunksby]

This is a good idea and all but it's pointless as long as it is applied to a regular season game, if the two were going at it in the Finals then it would serve a point.

[Grinder]

Grinder

How would you rate the defensive end?

I've added this in addition to the block/steal points:
+2 for forcing a missed shot on each other
+1 for forcing a missed shot on anyone else

Forcing a missed shot = a good closeout, lock down man to man defense, good help defense forcing a miss

[dunksby]

They are objective.

If you score 4 points, and another guy scored 6, he outscored you. There's nothing subjective about that (unless you want to be incredibly nit picky).

When you interpret that information "Oh well I scored my points on difficult shots, while the game was on the line. He scored his on assisted layups, in garbage minutes. Therefor my 4 > his 6." it becomes subjective. Both stats (objective), and interpretation (subjective) are important.

Stats are a limited a representative of what went down in the game but they wont tell you the whole story since they are not capable of that, similar to how language will never be able to commute what people feel/think/believe/want to others.

[Lord Leoshes]

I've added this in addition to the block/steal points:
+2 for forcing a missed shot on each other
+1 for forcing a missed shot on anyone else

Forcing a missed shot = a good closeout, lock down man to man defense, good help defense forcing a miss

What about charges taken, as well as blitzing & recovering on the pick-n-roll?
What about energy plays like diving to the ground for lose balls, forcing jump balls, forcing offensive, & defensive 5 sec in the paint?
Or setting good screens, for open looks on offense?

Just a few things i think might help.

[Inactive]

Stats are a limited a representative of what went down in the game but they wont tell you the whole story since they are not capable of that, similar to how language will never be able to commute what people feel/think/believe/want to others.

Right. They're still objective. 4 < 6. That doesn't mean that a guy who scores 6 is necessarily a better scorer, than a guy who scored 4. That would be a prediction about future performances, and many times an interpretation is more valuable for making predictions. It just means that he did score more, in the past.