Kobe- Games softer today

[Akhenaten]

Lebron, Arenas, Iverson, and Kobe all averaged about the same number of FT's in 05-06.

Why didn't you include Wade?

they all avg around the same, except guys like Lebron, Wade and Iverson actually deserved their FT's

Wade 10.7 (9.18 FGA at the rim, 66% FG)
Kobe 10.2 (5.8 FGA at the rim, 61% FG)
Lebron 10.3 (9.62 FGA at the rim 70% FG)
Arenas 10 (5.3 FGA at the rim 63% FG)
Iverson 11.5 (7.45 FGA at the rim 55%)

How Arenas and Kobe avg virtually the same attempts as guys who attacked the paint AND converted in the paint a FAR higher rate is still a mystery to me.

[chazzy]

Why didn't you include Wade?

they all avg around the same, except guys like Lebron, Wade and Iverson actually deserved their FT's

Wade 10.7 (9.18 FGA at the rim, 66% FG)
Kobe 10.2 (5.8 FGA at the rim, 61% FG)
Lebron 10.3 (9.62 FGA at the rim 70% FG)
Arenas 10 (5.3 FGA at the rim 63% FG)
Iverson 11.5 (7.45 FGA at the rim 55%)

How Arenas and Kobe avg virtually the same attempts as guys who attacked the paint AND converted in the paint a FAR higher rate is still a mystery to me.

Look at total FGA/G for their rate

[Rose'sACL]

Look at total FGA/G for their rate

you make the lamest point ever.

[Darius]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]A quick History lesson that you probably weren't aware of...

[INDENT]Bean's 2004 Finals (From ESPN's 'Ranking the 10 Worst Finals Performances All Time):

Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- Bryant's PER 14.2
"With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games."

From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It

[chazzy]

you make the lamest point ever.

Do you know what free throw rate is? Are you only given FTs on drives to the rim?

[riseagainst]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]A quick History lesson that you probably weren't aware of...

[INDENT]Bean's 2004 Finals (From ESPN's 'Ranking the 10 Worst Finals Performances All Time):

Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- Bryant's PER 14.2
"With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games."

From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It

[riseagainst]

even tried to flop that push.

[Bandito]

You act like he just posted his thoughts on Twitter randomly or something...

He was in the middle of a damn interview, and someone asked a question that sparked the opinion.

Just step back for a second and remove the hate dildo from your butthole.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Kobe saying the obvious

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]A quick History lesson that you probably weren't aware of...

[INDENT]Bean's 2004 Finals (From ESPN's 'Ranking the 10 Worst Finals Performances All Time):

Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- Bryant's PER 14.2
"With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games."

From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It

[tpols]

This is common knowledge. Don't understand why Bean is acting like he was not one of, if not THE biggest beneficiaries of the no touching, red carpet to the rim rules. I mean, how many 50+ point games did he even have before as compared to after the rule changes.

He had Shaq before the rule changes and no shaq after them.

You'd think losing a 30ppg scorer would leave room for more shots.. guess not...

If you were to look up Kobe's highest FGA games, theyd be clustered around where his highest scoring games are... and they happened when he became the definite first option.. it just coincidentily happened to occur, as your article shows, right at the same time as the rule changes





Also Kobe went on jumpshooting sprees to get a lot of his record scoring performances.. the Raptor game was literally all jumpers.. everyone remembers pheonix closeout games again all jumpers. In Kobe's best games he was never just running at the rim getting FTs. Thats not his game.. thats some dwistle shit right there.

[SamuraiSWISH]

On one hand, he's right. Physical perimeter defense requires more individual skill to be born to shed defenders, and increase bball IQ to be able to get off shots.

I agree, currently it seems like anyone can get to the basket at will with these soft rules on the perimeter.

With physicality on guards or wings it makes the offensive player recognize defenses quicker, including feeling the double team. Also makes players get tougher mentally, and as he said develop a mid range game.

On the flip side, current basketball makes players develop better TEAM basketball skills. Like passing, moving without the ball. So there are some positives.

Something that was lacking in the immediate post MJ generation, who selfishly gunned just to get their own personal numbers up.

In that sense, Kobe is a transitional superstar between eras. He has the individual skill of Jordan, but he lacks the selfless team first sensibility or passing skills, good shot taking mentality that the Nash / CP3 / Wade / LeBron era developed.

Jordan, unlike Kobe had both skill sets because he played under Dean Smith learning the college game first. Where they preach team offense, moving without the ball, passing, etc. So he has the supreme individual skills, as well as knowing how to play proper non hero ball team basketball.

[jstern]

Kobe explained it really well, in terms of how it makes it easier for lesser players. I've always said, based on my own experience, that even though his numbers would be a little less, a version of current Kobe's with the old rules would be a better player than current Kobe. But that's even more true with the lesser players.

So I'm not saying that today's players are inferior to past players and that they don't have any skills, but rather that they would be better because they would be forced to have a more complete game. A better quality league.