Boiled down

[Deuce Bigalow]

Considering Kobe won a "Derrick Rose good-story-bro" MVP im not sure why he would qualify for this if youre trying to make it legitimate.

Boiled down:

Kobe: 5

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Considering Kobe won a "Derrick Rose good-story-bro" MVP im not sure why he would qualify for this if youre trying to make it legitimate.

It was more of a "**** You LeBron" more than a pro-Rose MVP.

[DonDadda59]

Russell would have all the FMVPs for those 6 rings.

Highly questionable. Their first championship together (Cousy won the reg. season MVP) Cousy put up 21/7/9, Russell put up 13/23/3. Russell's rebounding was impressive, but nothing out of the ordinary for that time period (for comparison sake, Bob Petit put up 30/18 in the same series). Even Heinsohn had a case for MVP, put up 24/13.

Either way, Cousy had 6 rings, 1 season MVP, a hypothetical finals MVP, a bunch of all NBA teams, led the league in APG 8x, etc.

Don't see why he (or Havlicek for that matter) would be left out of the 'boiled down' list.

[LAZERUSS]

Boiled down:

Russell: 11
Wilt: 2

You mean Russell's CELTICS with 11 rings, and Chamberlain's TEAMs with 2. No one in their right mind would ever claim that Russell outplayed Wilt in ANY of their EIGHT post-season H2H's.

Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of their EIGHT H2H series. Including margins of 25-21, 30-25, 31-25, and even a crushing 32-23 differential. Wilt MURDERED Russell in terms of scoring, and by as much as 34-22 ppg, 22-10, 30-20, 30-16, and 29-12. And while Russell generally held Chamberlain below his normal FG%'s, the fact was, Wilt held Russell below his normal season FG%'s even moreso. Wilt outshot Russell from the field in EVERY series, and some by margins of .500 to .398, .555 to .447, .517 to .386, and .556 to .358. Chamberlain even had a TRIPLE-DOUBLE series against Russell in '67, with a 22 ppg, 32 rpg, 10 apg series.

Wilt had seasons, between 9-11 games, in which he averaged 38 ppg, 38 ppg, and even 40 ppg against Russell. Again, in their 143 H2H meetings, Chamberlain outscored Russell in 132 of them. Many by unfathomable margins, and by as much as 62-23 in a game. He had five games of 50+, including a must-win playoff game. Hell, Russell had three games of 30+ against Wilt, with a high of 37...and Chamberlain outscored him in all three. In fact, Wilt held a 24-0 margin in 40+ point games.

In their 143 H2H games, Wilt held a 92-43-8 margin in rebounding. Included was a 7-1 edge in 40+ rebound H2H's, and an overwhelming 23-4 margin in 35+ rebound H2H's. Wilt even had one game in which he outrebounded Russell by a 55-19 margin.

We now have the majority of their FGM/FGA games, and in those Wilt shot about 50% from the field, while Russell shot less than 40% against Wilt. And again, thanks to Julizaver, we KNOW that Wilt shot much closer to his career FG% against Russell, than what Russell shot against Wilt compared to his career FG%.

Even in the known blocks, Wilt held a huge margin.

Did Russell's teammates outplay Wilt's? No question. But then again, he had better teammates who actually played even better in their post-seasons, while Wilt's normally pathetic rosters, generally puked all over the floor in their's.

If we are going to claim that Wilt was a "loser" based on his TEAM's only winning two rings (and BTW, his team's lost to the eventual NBA champion TEN times...five of them in game seven's, and in four of those, by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points)...then MJ was a "loser" in nine of his seasons. Bird was a "loser" in 10 of his. West in 12. Baylor in 13. Kobe in 13. Kareem in 14. Shaq in 16. And Hakeem in 16.

[Deuce Bigalow]

^ Boil it down Laz boil it down.

[LAZERUSS]

^ Boil it down Laz boil it down.

Pretty easy...

The most dominant PLAYER in NBA history was Wilt. As Oscar once said, "The Record Book does not lie."

For TEAM success,...well the best TEAMs usually win. In terms of W-L percentage... Magic is CLEARLY the greatest in NBA history. In terms of Rings, no question Russell, with 11, and teammates Sam Jones with 10, and Hondo with eight.

[ImKobe]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pretty easy...

The most dominant PLAYER in NBA history was Wilt. As Oscar once said, "The Record Book does not lie."

For TEAM success,...well the best TEAMs usually win. In terms of W-L percentage... Magic is CLEARLY the greatest in NBA history. In terms of Rings, no question Russell, with 11, and teammates Sam Jones with 10, and Hondo with eight.

And try boiling it down please.

[LAZERUSS]

Most dominant player was Michael Jordan. And try boiling it down please.

Go ahead...let's use FULL SEASONS, including BOTH the regular season, which covers 80-82 games, and the post-seasons, which often only covered as little as THREE games. Combine them. Also, use LEAGUE AVERAGES, and MARGINS of statistical titles.

And finally, let's use RECORDS. At last count, Harvey Pollack had Wilt with something like 90. The REALITY was, Chamberlain holds HUNDREDS of records, and perhaps THOUSANDS. If you include "streak" records, there is simply no end to the number of RECORDS that Wilt holds. Even his post-season records are unfathomable. For instance, how many other players in NBA history, have put up 20+ ppg, 20+ rpg, and .500+ eFG% post-seasons? Chamberlain did it SIX times. How many other players have put up 30+ ppg, and 20+ rpg post-seasons? Wilt did it FOUR times. How many other players had 50 point, 30 rebound post-season games? Chamberlain had TWO. How many other players had 40-30 post-season games? Wilt had SIX. 30-30 games in the playoffs? Chamberlain with 11. And I could go on with 50-20, 40-20, 30-20, and 20-20 games ad nauseum. And keep in mind that Wilt faced a starting HOF center in 105 of his 160 post-season games, and in fact, outplayed them in the vast majority of their H2H games.

Again...Wilt was CLEARLY the most dominant player in NBA history.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

[navy]

LAZERUSS....how old are you? I cant imagine anyone sticking up for wilt this much without watching him firsthand.

[LAZERUSS]

LAZERUSS....how old are you?

Not quite as old as Deuce, who claims to have seen Mikan play live.

[navy]

Not quite as old as Deuce, who claims to have seen Mikan play live.

Have you seen Wilt in person?

[LAZERUSS]

Have you seen Wilt in person?

Yes actually. Both games were in the 72-73 season. And of course, I watched dozens, of his games live on TV.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In 1980, Bill Russell was named the greatest NBA player on the NBA's 35th anniversary team.

In 2000, Michael Jordan was named ESPY's Athlete of the 20th century.