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RIP P
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
It doesn't matter how he plays, his team has to win, point blank. If he plays great in the playoffs every year but his team doesn't win people will just call him a choker/underachiever, etc.
Look at Dirk pre 2011
Look at Bron pre 2012
Look at KG pre 2008
How you play doesn't matter you have to WIN. I don't agree with it but that's how people think. He'll get more respect for playing good and winning than playing great and losing.
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Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
if he can play consistently and lock down defense, he'll get my respect
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Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
He was quite poor in his last two series against OKC and the Heat so he can start by at least having a good offensive series.
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YAY AREAAA!!
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Shoot above 40% as the 1st option
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Since 1974
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Originally Posted by JohnFreeman
Shave the beard and cut the flopping
This.
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Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Put some effort in on defense and stop flopping.
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Buck Dynasty
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
He needs to do the following:
1) Develop an offensive game that doesn't rely on free throws and 3 pointers. All the great perimeter guys have had multi-dimensional games - when you shut off one part of their game, they had several more to go to. Michael, Kobe, Bird, Durant, Lebron, etc all these guys have scoring arsenals that (when they're on their game) no one person can totally shut off. There's a reason why Lebron didn't win a ring until he expanded his scoring arsenal. Now that his shooting is miles ahead of where it was in 2007 and he can post up like a legit PF, he can abuse pretty much anyone he wants to at any time. Same thing with Kobe and Michael. If their perimeter game wasn't happening, in to the post they went, and they'd shit on teams close to the basket. Durant is getting there, and this season he's learning to read double teams before they happen. So now he's getting to the point where if he's having a good game, defenses have ZERO chance. James Harden needs to tailor his game to the playoffs. Defenses get more physical, less forgiving. If you expect to get away with the same shit you got away with in the regular season, you're gonna get embarrassed very quickly. And it's even worse for Harden now since there's no Durant and Westbrook to hide behind.
2) Play some ****ing defense. Dwight cannot do everything. Harden has all the physical tools to be a great defender. He's got great size for his position at 6'5" with plenty of body at 225 lbs. He's a good athlete too - not Wade, MJ, or even Kobe level athleticism, but he's good enough that he should be able to stay with pretty much any 2 guard he defends. And it's not even his skill set that holds him back either, he showed in OKC that he is fully capable of being a decently intelligent defender. It's all about his mind set. If he ever wants to NOT be a joke of a defender, he needs to sack up and give a damn.
3) Learn to be a great leader. This means not blatantly ignoring plays called by your point guard, and then ripping him apart for taking shots that you wanted immediately after. This means firing your teammates up in a good way and not looking like you just woke up from a 4 hour nap. This means bringing championship-level intensity every single night so the opposition fears you. It's not fair to ask this of him because everyone has a different personality, but that's just the way it is. If Kevin Durant can go from being a shy, quiet guy to being one of the fiercest competitors in the game, James Harden can go from being a lazy, sleepy looking bum to a fiery, intense leader.
4) Shave the beard, take a shower, and save the bud for AFTER the game.
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4 ring - 4 FMVP - 4MVP
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Originally Posted by KrizMiz
carry his team, with 30+ points and less than 4 free throws a game, and taking good shots, not these lucky ones
GTFO out of here. He has to average at least 30 for it to be a success? So if he averaged 29 on 6 FT a game, and they won the championship, he'd still be a choker? Some of you haters have shit excuses for logic.
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2nd Greatest Player
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Just like Blake Griffin he needs to show up and elevate his game in the playoffs.
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National High School Star
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Originally Posted by Milbuck
He needs to do the following:
1) Develop an offensive game that doesn't rely on free throws and 3 pointers. All the great perimeter guys have had multi-dimensional games - when you shut off one part of their game, they had several more to go to. Michael, Kobe, Bird, Durant, Lebron, etc all these guys have scoring arsenals that (when they're on their game) no one person can totally shut off. There's a reason why Lebron didn't win a ring until he expanded his scoring arsenal. Now that his shooting is miles ahead of where it was in 2007 and he can post up like a legit PF, he can abuse pretty much anyone he wants to at any time. Same thing with Kobe and Michael. If their perimeter game wasn't happening, in to the post they went, and they'd shit on teams close to the basket. Durant is getting there, and this season he's learning to read double teams before they happen. So now he's getting to the point where if he's having a good game, defenses have ZERO chance. James Harden needs to tailor his game to the playoffs. Defenses get more physical, less forgiving. If you expect to get away with the same shit you got away with in the regular season, you're gonna get embarrassed very quickly. And it's even worse for Harden now since there's no Durant and Westbrook to hide behind.
2) Play some ****ing defense. Dwight cannot do everything. Harden has all the physical tools to be a great defender. He's got great size for his position at 6'5" with plenty of body at 225 lbs. He's a good athlete too - not Wade, MJ, or even Kobe level athleticism, but he's good enough that he should be able to stay with pretty much any 2 guard he defends. And it's not even his skill set that holds him back either, he showed in OKC that he is fully capable of being a decently intelligent defender. It's all about his mind set. If he ever wants to NOT be a joke of a defender, he needs to sack up and give a damn.
3) Learn to be a great leader. This means not blatantly ignoring plays called by your point guard, and then ripping him apart for taking shots that you wanted immediately after. This means firing your teammates up in a good way and not looking like you just woke up from a 4 hour nap. This means bringing championship-level intensity every single night so the opposition fears you. It's not fair to ask this of him because everyone has a different personality, but that's just the way it is. If Kevin Durant can go from being a shy, quiet guy to being one of the fiercest competitors in the game, James Harden can go from being a lazy, sleepy looking bum to a fiery, intense leader.
4) Shave the beard, take a shower, and save the bud for AFTER the game.
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Red Nation
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
If he plays defense like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63TDVWnZ5K8, Houston has a pretty good chance to get to the WCF or even the Finals. He shut Kobe down in the 4th quarter. Harden can really become a good defender if he puts effort into it
Oh yeah, he also needs to play offense like this in the playoffs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leTk1s7z8o4
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Originally Posted by Young X
It doesn't matter how he plays, his team has to win, point blank. If he plays great in the playoffs every year but his team doesn't win people will just call him a choker/underachiever, etc.
Look at Dirk pre 2011
Look at Bron pre 2012
Look at KG pre 2008
How you play doesn't matter you have to WIN. I don't agree with it but that's how people think. He'll get more respect for playing good and winning than playing great and losing.
Sadly this is true of most.
But luckily, I hope, we aren't stupid normal fans.
Harden needs to play better defense and not dominate the ball quite so much as he does sometimes late in games (McHale is at fault here as well)
But Harden is probably under-rated...He's already as good or better than Derrick Rose ever was.
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Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
He needs to show leadership and yell at guys like Jordan and Kobe do. I see Dwight yelling at guys but Harden wants to be the good cop and Dwight the bad cop.
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College superstar
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
Win. All he has to do is lead the Rockets and advance.. if he can lead the Rockets to the WCF or the NBA Finals, he will be okay. If he does not advance out of the first round, well folks will be talking.
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YouGotServed
Fan in the Stands (unregistered)
Re: What does Harden need to do in the playoffs to be a respected player?
He doesn't have to do anything. He's already the best shooting guard in the NBA. Only people who don't respect him are those with the blind hate. Those guys will never stop hating and instead will always look for ways to discredit him.
Harden has cemented himself as the best SG in the league and a top 10 player in the NBA.
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