LeBron is a better finisher than Jordan

[PHILA]

Sir Charles is

Yes, Barkley is an outlier. He likely shot over 80% at the rim for multiple seasons. After all he was the all time leader in 2 Pt. FG% for some time. Only 6'4 3/4 tall, but he used his body well and had very strong and explosive legs. Plus he went up strong with two hands almost every single time, which would greatly reduce the amount of point blank misses.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=11

[Round Mound]

Yes, Barkley is an outlier. He likely shot over 80% at the rim for multiple seasons. After all he was the all time leader in 2 Pt. FG% for some time. Only 6'4 3/4 tall, but he used his body well and had very strong and explosive legs. Plus he went up strong with two hands almost every single time, which would greatly reduce the amount of point blank misses.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=11

He also has great touch around the basket. Him and Shaq are the best at the rim in the las 30 years of the game. Chuck lead the NBA in 2 PT. FG% 5 times in a row. Unbelievable at that size

BTW: Great stats! where do u find them?

[PHILA]

He also has great touch around the basket. Him and Shaq are the best at the rim in the las 30 years of the game. Chuck lead the NBA in 2 PT. FG% 5 times in a row. Unbelievable at that size

BTW: Great stats! where do u find them?

LeBron stats were on mysynergysports.com, but the website no longer works. Shaq numbers are on NBA.com, he peaked in 2001 at 77.4%. The Barkley stats are from as many of his available games I could find on the internet from 1988-96.

[Real14]

It was a lot easier to defend the rim in the 90's.

end thread.

[dankok8]

Lebron and Barkley being as good as Shaq finishing at the rim is simply astounding but they are. I think their % is slightly boosted from transition baskets but still.

[ClipperRevival]

Pretty fair argument considering you left out MJ's seasons prior to age 29, when he was at his peak as a rim attacker and even using his Wizard years. Lol.

You LeBron fans can't be this simple minded by just looking at stats at face value. Let me ask you LeBron fans this, describe how/why he was a better finisher.

[ClipperRevival]

Michael Jordan

1992 Shot Chart
1991-92: 53 games
At Rim: 233/357 65.3 FG%
In Paint (Overall): 300/555 54.1 FG%
Mid-Range: 336/645 52.1 FG%

1990-1992 Shot Chart
1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games
126 games total
At Rim: 629/847 74.3 FG%
In Paint (Overall): 786/1333 59.0 FG%
Midrange: 793/1552 51.1 FG%

1996-97
Restricted Area: 192/371 51.8 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 95/186 51.1 FG%
Midrange: 588/1,202 48.9 FG%

1997-98
Restricted Area: 281/457 61.5 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 95/210 45.2 FG%
Midrange: 476/1,101 43.2 FG%

2001-02
Restricted Area: 104/181 57.5 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 64/187 34.2 FG%
Midrange: 373/903 41.3 FG%

2002-03
Restricted Area: 137/230 59.6 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 69/186 37.1 FG%
Midrange: 457/1,056 43.3 FG%

Where are MJs 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991 seasons? You know, MJ at his physical peak when he attacked with reckless abandon? How the fu'k do you expect anyone to take your argument seriously with your biased, selectively use of stats? You Bron fans are so desparate to catch some of MJ's shine.

[ClipperRevival]

"Finishing" is a colloquial term for scoring at the rim with a layup or dunk, and LeBron is superior in that category according to these statistical comparisons, why are you having so much trouble accepting that?

92 Jordan is widely accepted as peak level, and the 92 Bulls are often favored over the 96 team, DEAL!

The discussion here is rim attacking and you are best at doing that at your physical peak. By 1992, MJ was no longer that. He might've been a better player in 1992 over his younger self because he was smarter, improved his overall game and just knew how to win but young MJ was a monster as a rim attacker.

[ClipperRevival]

Watch Lebron's finishing highlights, almost all of them are:

1) In transition when he takes off one leg.
2) When he turns the corner at the top of the key and has a clear path to the basket, is allowed to build momentum and jump off one feet.

LeBron might be the GOAT at #2. And that is a big deal. But the guy was primarily a linear finisher off one leg. Therefore, his finishing abilities were limited. Bball is not played in a straight line. Everything else, MJ sh'ts on LeBron. MJ created attacking opportunities where LeBron couldn't because he was much stiffer than MJ and lacked that fluidity, quickness, etc.

On the flip side, watch an MJ attacking video. You'll see every imaginable way a guy can attack and finish. One feet, two feet, amazingly quick explosion off a quick gather, baseline, hang in the air, use of both hands, variety of launch points while in the air, going over top of bigs, etc.

[CAstill]

Sir Charles is

Nope. Peak Kemp was. No one better. Not even close. Kemp down the lane or on a fastbreak is automatic. No matter the competition.

[diamenz]

Watch Lebron's finishing highlights, almost all of them are:

1) In transition when he takes off one leg.
2) When he turns the corner at the top of the key and has a clear path to the basket, is allowed to build momentum and jump off one feet.

LeBron might be the GOAT at #2. And that is a big deal. But the guy was primarily a linear finisher off one leg. Therefore, his finishing abilities were limited. Bball is not played in a straight line. Everything else, MJ sh'ts on LeBron. MJ created attacking opportunities where LeBron couldn't because he was much stiffer than MJ and lacked that fluidity, quickness, etc.

On the flip side, watch an MJ attacking video. You'll see every imaginable way a guy can attack and finish. One feet, two feet, amazingly quick explosion off a quick gather, baseline, hang in the air, use of both hands, variety of launch points while in the air, going over top of bigs, etc.

exactly. exactly.

[FKAri]

Who said this? Madonna?

[ClipperRevival]

This is the GOAT finisher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGLaKfEyRL4

[plowking]

Somehow Jordan is a better finisher and apparently the best midrange player ever despite Bron and him shooting the same percentage from the field.
Something doesn't add up.
Don't tell Jordan fans that though.

[Da_Realist]

Somehow Jordan is a better finisher and apparently the best midrange player ever despite Bron and him shooting the same percentage from the field.
Something doesn't add up.
Don't tell Jordan fans that though.

Somehow Lebron fans think the only things that matter in basketball are stats without ever wanting to discuss the myriad of factors that affect those stats. A ton of robotic dudes that can't think for themselves so they need the boxscores to tell them everything.

Take a guy driving into open lanes and having time to gather his steps and equate his production with a guy that needs to dunk over Ewing and Mutombo or maneuver around 3 guys camped in the lane just because they both shoot 49% is dumb.