Put 2001 Iverson and 2003 Tmac in the 05/06 season

[DaOldLion]

What the fcuk are you talking about? 2001 Iverson took the Sixers to the finals. I clearly ****ing said PUT 2001 IVERSON IN 2006. The question had nothing to do with what 30 year old Iverson did, or his team, in 2006. It was a hypothetical scenario of what would MVP Iverson(2001) do offensively in the seasons right after the rule changes when a number of players experienced career scoring years( Kobe, Lebron, Arenas, Nash's ascension to MVP level)

Learn to read.

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

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[kennethgriffin]

He also averaged 23.5 shots a game (1924) in 2003, the second highest of his career behind 2006. For reference that mark has only been eclipsed 28 times in the history of the NBA. The greenlight wasn't a problem, even in 2003 with a prime Shaq on the squad taking 5 less shots per game and the two of them accounting for 52% of the teams offense.

lol@ the green light wasnt the problem?



i'm pretty sure if you took away shaqs 30ppg kobe gains 5ppg at the very minimum


kobe was basically a 35ppg player since 2001



2001 = 29ppg ( had shaq averaging 29ppg )
2002 = 27ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2003 = 30ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2004 = 24ppg ( had to share with malone, payton and shaq )
2005 = injured all year


all these years in his 2006 situation and healthy is a 35ppg player like 2006


period


and if the lakers never get gasol he probly goes off in 2008 and 2009 aswell



guys have to sacrifice in order to win


yall think jordan was incapable of 35-36ppg in the 90s? ofcourse not. he had to hold back slightly swell


tmac and iverson never had to hold back. they never had to make others feel good. nore did they want to. and they both sure as **** never had serious expectations to win titles. yet they both couldnt eclipse 35ppg.

it was never meant to happen


period

ok?

[Dragonyeuw]

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

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Learn to read? I'm the one who created the topic, you fcuking cvnt. Let's walk through this again:

Put 2001 Iverson and 2003 Tmac in the 05/06 season

Now let's look at the FIRST SENTENCE IN THE FCUKING OP:

How many points do they average

Why the fcuk are you bringing up the Sixers missing the playoffs in 2006?! That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the premise of the thread. Have you noticed that everyone else is actually talking about what 2001 Iverson would average in 2006, and you're the lone cvnt talking about the Sixers missing the playoffs?

Honestly, stop posting. You've managed to make yourself look like an even bigger jackass than before.

[Young X]

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

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The thread is strictly about numbers. You got defensive for no reason.

[Dragonyeuw]

lol@ the green light wasnt the problem?



i'm pretty sure if you took away shaqs 30ppg kobe gains 5ppg at the very minimum


kobe was basically a 35ppg player since 2001



2001 = 29ppg ( had shaq averaging 29ppg )
2002 = 27ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2003 = 30ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2004 = 24ppg ( had to share with malone, payton and shaq )
2005 = injured all year


all these years in his 2006 situation and healthy is a 35ppg player like 2006


period


and if the lakers never get gasol he probly goes off in 2008 and 2009 aswell



guys have to sacrifice in order to win


yall think jordan was incapable of 35-36ppg in the 90s? ofcourse not. he had to hold back slightly swell


tmac and iverson never had to hold back. they never had to make others feel good. nore did they want to. and they both sure as **** never had serious expectations to win titles. yet they both couldnt eclipse 35ppg.

it was never meant to happen


period

ok?

Like I said, only 28 times in the history of the NBA has anyone taken more shots than 2003 Kobe. That is a fact that you are free to look up. So how the hell did he not have a green light in 2003 when 2006 is the only time in 20 years that he's exceeded that total? The premise is simple, if a 30 year old Iverson can put up 33ppg in 2006, why wouldn't a 26 year old prime A.I's numbers not at the VERY least duplicate that average and/or surpass it? You're speculating that Kobe could have put up 35 as far back as 2001, yet you seem unable( or unwilling) to extrapolate in a similar manner for Iverson.

Let's apply the same logic to 2003 Tmac, using your own argument about number of shots. Tmac scored 32ppg on 24 shots in 2003. If he took the same 27 shots that Kobe took in 2006, the percentages say he gets to 35ppg. Iverson is a more compelling case because he wasn't even in his absolute prime in 2006, and he put up 33. Yet it's a stretch to think MVP Iverson couldn't average 2 more points with a few more shots? I'll actually use that moron's comment about a 20/10 guy above, the one thing he's said which bears some relevance to the thread. Iverson had Webber putting up 20 ppg when he averaged 33. Give him Kobe's 2006 second option, Odom who averaged 15, you don't think A.I takes up a portion of that scoring differential? IF you're going to say that Shaq's presence stopped Kobe from hitting 35 sooner, I'll go with that for argument's sake. Now apply that same logic to Iverson in 2006: give him a lesser scoring #2( from Webber's 20ppg to Odom's 15ppg), your own argument dictates that Iverson would likely have exceeded the 33ppg.

[ShaqTwizzle]

[B]2003 kobe averaged 30ppg while sharing the ball with another guy averaging nearly 30ppg

kobe averaged 5 more points in 2006 because he shared the ball with kwame and smush instead

not because of the era/rules

2003 Kobe (12 games) (start of season) (pre-Shaq) (no-Shaq)
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[COLOR="Red"]Stats =[/COLOR] 29 / 9 / 6 on .49%TS

Sorry Kenneth but you're wrong.
Shaq never held Kobe back from shooting.

He allowed Kobe to shoot like a 1st option while facing far less defensive attention then a normal 1st option would face.

As we can see from the above stats when Kobe didn't have Shaq before the hand-checking changes his effiency hit Iverson levels and his volume didn't go way up as you suggested it would.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Kobe shooting stat averages
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01-03 playoffs = 23.5 FGA /// 8.5 FTA
08-10 playoffs = 22.4 FGA /// 8.6 FTA

[LikeMike]

The more accurate question is how good would the Lakers be with those guys instead of Kobe? T-Mac, about the same. AI, the Lakers would be better in 2005-06.