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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    An old Wilt "decisively outplayed" a PEAK Kareem, in a series in which he only averaged 12 ppg.

    Of course a PEAK Chamberlain took a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtics team with the GOAT defensive center, and in a series in which he put up 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 7.0 bpg, shot .555 (which was incredible in itself, but did so in a series in which both teams combined to shoot .413), and had a TS% of .575. Oh, and he LED BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, TRB%, BPG, FG%, and TS%.

    A PRIME LeChoke scores a meaningless 36 ppg on a horrific FG% and watches as a backup who shut him down hoisted the FMVP trophy.

    Thanks for playing Fraulent Mr. Feeble.


    BTW, what are you still doing posting your gibberish here?

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91



    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...7&postcount=29





    This idiot not only loses a bet by backing a player that put up the worst Finals in NBA history, but he even warned the TRUE Lebron fans that it was coming, too.

    Funny how a Kyrie shot SUDDENLY switched his allegiance, isn't it?

    And back to this...



    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...77&postcount=7



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    The Fraudulent "Fence-Jumpin" Mr. Feeble.


    I'm sorry you didn't address my basketball related questions. Is aj right are those stats indeed accurate?

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    Default Re: Wilt Chamberlain's historic career summarized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Feeny
    I'm sorry you didn't address my basketball related questions. Is aj right are those stats indeed accurate?
    I DID address them...

    Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

    Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

    How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

    31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

    How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

    29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


    Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

    He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

    He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

    Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


    Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


    Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

    Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

    How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


    Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


    Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

    GOAT.
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    And this...

    Because the evidence is so overwhelming. You could write BOOKS on Chamberlain's dominance in BOTH the regular season AND the post-season.

    As for "choker"...

    even if we were to take his playoff stats at face value (and not using CONTEXT)... a CAREER 23-25 player, who outshot the post-season NBA by nearly ten percentage points above the league average.

    Of course, using CONTEXT, and they suddenly become GOAT-like.

    For instance,... gotta love the "30 ppg RS, 18 (actually 19 BTW) PO" Wilt.

    How about this?

    What's the difference between Wilt's post-season H2H's with Russell's Celtics in '60, '62, '65, '66, '67, '68, and his post-season H2H's with Russell's Celtics in '64 and '69?

    NONE. Those H2H's basically decided the NBA championship. Plain-and-simple. BUT, in '60, '62, '65, '66, '67, and '68...they were the EDF's. And NOT the Finals.

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]What were Wilt's numbers in those EDF's? 22-25-7; 22-32-10 .556; 28-30 .509; 30-31 .555; and 34-27[/COLOR].

    Compare that with Lebron's seven trips to the Finals. Give me a list of a great Eastern team that James beat en route to the Finals. NONE. The ONE team that was great, the '08 Celtics... held Lebron to .355 shooting...and that came in ECSF's.


    Not only that, but how take a look at Russell's Finals in his career. SIX of them came against the Lakers. Throw out the '69 Finals, when he faced Wilt, and did nothing offensively...and he was putting up Finals of 23-27-6 on .543 FG%; 20-26-5 on .467; 18-25-6 on get this... a .702 FG%; 24-24-4 .538; and 17-22-6 on .430. That's a combined average of 21-25-5 on a .515 FG%.

    Now, how many times did Wilt face those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's? NONE. And how did Wilt fare against those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's... 86 H2H's, and 42 games of 40+, including 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+!

    Prior to 1969, Chamberlain played exactly ONE playoff series against a Western Division team. How did he do? 39 ppg, 23 rpg, and on a .560 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.)

    Think about that. Had Wilt played in the Western Conference in his prime, he likely would have been going to the Finals nearly every year, and probably hanging 40+ ppg playoff series in several of them.

    Furthermore, how about Shaq's Finals? In his wins... against a washed-up Smits in his last season; a 35 year old Mutombo, whom Shaq was allowed to bloody to a pulp by some of the worst Finals officiating in NBA history..only the '06 debacle was worse); a career 6 ppg stumblebum in MacCoulloch; and the career bust Dampier. Had a PRIME Chamberlain faced those inept clods, and who knows how many Finals scoring, rebounding, and efficiency records Wilt would hold today.

    CONTEXT.
    Now go ahead and explain to everyone here why you are still posting when you lost a bet and vowed to leave the forum forever?

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91


    And while you are at it, explain this...

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...7&postcount=29

    I want y'al hating mother fos to come back in 3 days.

    Talk smack now and enjoy this

    Let's see if Curry turns things around and [COLOR="DarkRed"]I GUARANTEE[/COLOR] he does, upon which he surpasses Kobrick all time and knocks him to 13th.

    All he has to do is surpass Kobe's career finals numbers of 25 ppg on 41%. He does that and he's gold.
    Next year he'll go for the jugular and start aiming for a 3 peat and MJ finals numbers.

    Mark my words [COLOR="DarkRed"]branvestites[/COLOR] and kobrick lovers. Curry will have [COLOR="DarkRed"]both of you[/COLOR] crying in tears the entire summer by the time he wraps this up in a week

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    Default Re: Wilt Chamberlain's historic career summarized

    We are sorry Ilt lover but we don't see how you addressed the following?

    1973 NBA Finals
    Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

    1970 NBA Finals
    Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
    Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

    1969 NBA Finals
    Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
    Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

    1968 Division Finals
    Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
    Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

    1966 Division Finals
    His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

    1965 Division Finals
    Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

    1964 NBA Finals
    His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

    1963 Regular season
    Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

    1962 Division Finals
    Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

    Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

    1961 Division Semifinals
    Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

    Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

    1960 Division Finals
    After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

    Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)



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    Default Re: Wilt Chamberlain's historic career summarized

    Wilt wilted under pressure in the nba finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron23 View Post
    Wilt wilted under pressure in the nba finals.
    2011 worst choke job of ALL TIME.


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