So one game and Kobe is a huge minus?

[Rooster]

Nah. People dog Kobe because he does still have it. He could STILL be good. If he would adjust. Take better shots and stop forcing everything. Quit complaining to the refs and start playing D.

But Kobe is too dumb and stubborn. He thinks he's still in his prime whenever he steps on the court except now he feels he's got something to prove just like he did when he jacked up those three air balls in the PO his rookie year against Utah.

This. Kobe need to realized that whatever he's doing the past few games and most of the season, it's just not working. It does not mean that he has to lose that confidence, it's just that it's unncessary to take long constested 2s and jack up 3s early in the shot clock. Post up more and get closer to the basket, he still has that ability and the footwork.

[truhooper]

Lakers best game of the entire season is the one game Kobe doesn't play.. im sorry that's no coincidence..

NEWSFLASH its 2015 BRO and KOBE IS ABSOLUTE TRASH THIS SEASON.. the quicker you come to accept that the less sleepless nights you will have

#FACTS

[Mr Feeny]

It's not that he's a bad defender, or as you say he doesn't resemble anything close to defense, it's just that Ellington and Johnson are better defenders, which is nothing to be ashamed of at this point in his career. So to say that he isn't better defensively than two young guys is nothing illogical, nor diminishing of his greatness

What greatness, exactly? He can't guard a lamp. He's being obliterated on defense at every turn. There's a reason he's ranked 99th out of 99 shooting guards in the NBA, net. While he's awful on offense, his defense is NON-EXISTANT.

[SexSymbol]

What greatness, exactly? He can't guard a lamp. He's being obliterated on defense at every turn. There's a reason he's ranked 99th out of 99 shooting guards in the NBA, net. While he's awful on offense, his defense is NON-EXISTANT.

I am aware of how he's presented statistically, just watch the games, please, you're embarassing yourself

[ImKobe]

What greatness, exactly? He can't guard a lamp. He's being obliterated on defense at every turn. There's a reason he's ranked 99th out of 99 shooting guards in the NBA, net. While he's awful on offense, his defense is NON-EXISTANT.

That is false breh. If you actually watch the games, he isn't that bad defensively in terms of individual play. It's the team that collectively sucks. Of course he's going to be at the bottom when the team has the worst D in the league. He hasn't been lit up too many times and for the most part, he stays on his man and usually isn't the reason why the defense gets exposed.

Problem is that the Lakers SUCK at guarding the P&R and opposing teams always seem to light em up from 3, even when they contest their shots. It's just that they don't have a fear factor to them. No one is scared to score against the Lakers. Guys WANT to destroy them. It is what it is.

And the +/- stat doesn't tell you jack shit about Kobe as a player. It just shows how much better our bench is against the opposing team's benches compared to the starting unit.


And Lakers won @ Houston & @ San Antonio with Kobe leading the way, so yeah...and how bout the road game against Memphis, where the bench puts us in the hole early in the 4th then Kobe gets subbed in and brings us back, only for Lin to pass it to Hill, who bricks a long 2?

But it's all on Kobe, he's the worst SG in the league. Let's leave rational discussion out of it and let the hatred blind us.


Dude obviously is not his old self, but let's not act like he can't play or that his play is the reason the Lakers are not a Playoff team. They suck ass collectively, one fluke game against a top team isn't going to change that.

[red1]

real talk I wouldn't want him on my team for the vet min, let alone at 48/2 years. serious question OP, are you retarded?

[Mr Feeny]

I am aware of how he's presented statistically, just watch the games, please, you're embarassing yourself

good argument. How can anybody counter such well constructed points?

[Mr Feeny]

That is false breh. If you actually watch the games, he isn't that bad defensively in terms of individual play. It's the team that collectively sucks. Of course he's going to be at the bottom when the team has the worst D in the league. He hasn't been lit up too many times and for the most part, he stays on his man and usually isn't the reason why the defense gets exposed.

Problem is that the Lakers SUCK at guarding the P&R and opposing teams always seem to light em up from 3, even when they contest their shots. It's just that they don't have a fear factor to them. No one is scared to score against the Lakers. Guys WANT to destroy them. It is what it is.

And the +/- stat doesn't tell you jack shit about Kobe as a player. It just shows how much better our bench is against the opposing team's benches compared to the starting unit.


And Lakers won @ Houston & @ San Antonio with Kobe leading the way, so yeah...and how bout the road game against Memphis, where the bench puts us in the hole early in the 4th then Kobe gets subbed in and brings us back, only for Lin to pass it to Hill, who bricks a long 2?

But it's all on Kobe, he's the worst SG in the league. Let's leave rational discussion out of it and let the hatred blind us.


Dude obviously is not his old self, but let's not act like he can't play or that his play is the reason the Lakers are not a Playoff team. They suck ass collectively, one fluke game against a top team isn't going to change that.

I have watched the games, as have the majority of the people on this board, all of whom consider him an impediment to success at this point. We could be all wrong ofcourse, and a Kobe stan with a proclivity to troll Lebron blindly and whimsically might he right. Unlikely though. I think it's the former

[Mr Feeny]

real talk I wouldn't want him on my team for the vet min, let alone at 48/2 years. serious question OP, are you retarded?

Probably
OP and ImKobe and SexSymbol need to take notes

[ArbitraryWater]

He played good defense in both games, especially in the houston one.
It's not all about offense man, watch some games for ****s sakes before talking about them.

SexSymbols arguments are the worst... "watch games pls, you're uneducated"........... eventually says nothing, now reverts to DEFENSE, as Kobe's argument..... PURE COMEDY.

At least ImKobe writes off his paragraphs.

[Mr Feeny]

SexSymbols arguments are the worst... "watch games pls, you're uneducated"........... eventually says nothing, now reverts to DEFENSE, as Kobe's argument..... PURE COMEDY.

At least ImKobe writes off his paragraphs.

I know!!! When a Kobe stans bring defense into an argument when discussing 2015 Kobe, you know that you've heard it all