Who has had the most help? Duncan, Kobe, or LeBron?

[Smoke117]

dray and klay are nowhere near shaq and pau, or wade, bosh, kyrie or manu, parker, d-rob, kawhi. And competition is stacked against curry as its ever been against the other three.

lol...the overall quality of the Warriors is way...way better than any of the teams you are trying to compare Curry's help to. You are talking about Dray and Klay...while they have Harrison Barnes...a guy who would be a star on almost any other team. He's better than Wiggins that's for sure and he's averaging 20ppg on the Twolves. The Lakers, the Heat...they were never STACKED...they were TOP HEAVY. The Warriors ARE stacked...three all star players, an all star level player in Barnes, and guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston...and they aren't stacked...okay buddy. The warriors ALWAYS have a quality player at any given position...they are by far the most stacked team of all time.

[warriorfan]

lol...the overall quality of the Warriors is way...way better than any of the teams you are trying to compare Curry's help to. You are talking about Dray and Klay...while they have Harrison Barnes...a guy who would be a star on almost any other team. He's better than Wiggins that's for sure and he's averaging 20ppg on the Twolves. The Lakers, the Heat...they were never STACKED...they were TOP HEAVY. The Warriors ARE stacked...three all star players, an all star level player in Barnes, and guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston...and they aren't stacked...okay buddy. The warriors ALWAYS have a quality player at any given position...they are by far the most stacked team of all time.

This post makes zero sense until you realize the person who wrote it is a raging alcoholic.

[rmt]

It's close.

On one hand you have LeBron who is on his 2nd collusion SuperTeam with potentially more to come down the line.

On the other hand you have Duncan, who hasn't been the best player on his own team in over a decade and has been carried for his last two rings. Not to mention having the GOAT coach and the GOAT organization to back him.

2006-07 Regular Season
Duncan - All-Star, All-NBA 1st team, All-Defensive 1st team, 4th in MVP voting
Parker - All-Star, tied with Carmelo, Billups for 15th in MVP voting

Duncan 20 pts 10.6 rebs 3.4 asst 2.4 blks 54.6%FG 111ORtg 94 DRtg 13 WS 7.1 BPM 6.3 VORP
Parker 18.6 pts 5.5 asst 52%FG 112 ORtg 102 DRtg 9.6 WS 2.7 BPM 3 VORP

2006-07 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts 11.5 rebs 3.3 asst 3.1 blks 52.1%FG 111 ORtg 98 DRtg 3.3 WS 7.2 BPM 1.7 VORP
Parker 20.8 pts 5.8 asst 48%FG 103 ORtg 107 DRtg 1.6 WS 0.5 PBM 0.5 VORP

[AirBonner]

Curry and it's not even close.

[tpols]

lol...the overall quality of the Warriors is way...way better than any of the teams you are trying to compare Curry's help to. You are talking about Dray and Klay...while they have Harrison Barnes...a guy who would be a star on almost any other team. He's better than Wiggins that's for sure and he's averaging 20ppg on the Twolves. The Lakers, the Heat...they were never STACKED...they were TOP HEAVY. The Warriors ARE stacked...three all star players, an all star level player in Barnes, and guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston...and they aren't stacked...okay buddy. The warriors ALWAYS have a quality player at any given position...they are by far the most stacked team of all time.

harrison barnes ? you must be trollin me.


Warriors outside of curry are a less talented version of the mid 00s spurs or current spurs outside of Duncan. Manu is the type of dude who could lead a revolution against team USA, straight heart and intelligence thats on another level than any warrior player not named curry.. and the spurs have always had great depth.. so that points moot.

[FKAri]

harrison barnes ? you must be trollin me.


Warriors outside of curry are a less talented version of the mid 00s spurs or current spurs outside of Duncan. Manu is the type of dude who could lead a revolution against team USA, straight heart and intelligence thats on another level than any warrior player not named curry.. and the spurs have always had great depth.. so that points moot.

The Warriors are one of the best put together teams in decades. They have great talent and unreal synergy which takes them to an unreal level.

[tpols]

The Warriors are one of the best put together teams in decades. They have great talent and unreal synergy which takes them to an unreal level.

their FO and management is definitely spurs like in the way they articulately build.. in contrast to kobe and bron's FO's who always just tried to stack quick talent in desperation.

[Gileraracer]

LeCollude

[bobopenguin]

Bron, and it's still going.

[Smoke117]

harrison barnes ? you must be trollin me.


Warriors outside of curry are a less talented version of the mid 00s spurs or current spurs outside of Duncan. Manu is the type of dude who could lead a revolution against team USA, straight heart and intelligence thats on another level than any warrior player not named curry.. and the spurs have always had great depth.. so that points moot.

You are just talking that bullshit now...congratulations!

[Moonbeam]

Based on aging curves for expected OWS and DWS during seasons in which they have averaged at least 24 MPG:

Duncan: 42.11 expected WS
Kobe: 36.18 expected WS
LeBron: 36.06 expected WS

[Nash]

1.Kobe, the only one that was literally a sidekick to another dominant superstar FMVP.

2. Duncan, help as in a bunch of great teammates, fantastic organization and an amazing coach that helped him compete for all of his career.

3.Lebron, first 7 years he had no real help. Then got Wade and Bosh but was still the only one of the 3 that was the best player on his team.

[Kobe_6/8]

Who had to work the hardest for their rings?

1. LeBron - Drafted by his hometown sports failure Cleveland. Never had a true 1a/1b tandem until he played with Wade in Miami.

2. Kobe - Drafted onto a legendary franchise with Most Dominant Ever (Shaq). Phil Jackson came to the team shortly after. Pau Gasol was a big 2 way help.

3. Duncan - Drafted onto a team with a HOF Center and HOF coach. Always had help with D-Rob/Parker/Ginobili.

[coin24]

1.Kobe, the only one that was literally a sidekick to another dominant superstar FMVP.

2. Duncan, help as in a bunch of great teammates, fantastic organization and an amazing coach that helped him compete for all of his career.

3.Lebron, first 7 years he had no real help. Then got Wade and Bosh but was still the only one of the 3 that was the best player on his team.

Ok pauk

[MoBe1Kanobi]

Basically look at it like this

If this was 2k

Kobe played with

Shaq(96-04) : 98ovr
Pau(07-14): 88ovr
Kwame(04-08): 64ovr(too generous)
Horry(98-03): 71ovr(being generous)
Rick Fox(98-03): 68ovr(being generous)
LamarOdom(05-12): 85ovr
Bynum: 84ovr
D-Fish: 55ovr(being very generous)
Sasha: 70ovr
Farmar: 74ovr
OVERALL TEAM CORE AVERAGE: 75.7 OVERALL
Other players were in for only maybe 1-2 year stretches in Ariza, Artest, Shannon Brown, Vlad Radmonovic, Mbenga, Powell, Dwight, Kareem Rush, Turiaf, etc. and the overall quality of these interchangeables on a combined 2k scale is id say 75 overall relative for being surrounding parts.
TEAM CORE: 75.7 OVR, ADDITIONAL HELP: 75 OVR

LBJ played with:
D Wade: 90 ovr
C Bosh: 87ovr
Kyrie: 88ovr
K Love: 80ovr(should be higher)
Prime Mo Will: 81 ovr
Mike Miller: 76ovr
Ilgauskas: 80ovr
Larry Hughes: 75ovr(see KLove)
Ray Ray: 78 ovr
OVERALL TEAM CORE AVG: 81.6 OVERALL
Other players in for 1-2 yr stretches were JR Smith, Shumpert, Mozgov, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, JJ Hickson, Dellavadova, Varejao, Eric Snow, Delonte West Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden etc. and the overall quality of these interchangeables on a combined 2k scale is id say 90 overall relative for being surrounding parts.
TEAM CORE: 81.6 OVR, ADDITIONAL HELP: 90 OVR

Duncan played with:
Tony Parker: 88 ovr
Ginobili: 87 ovr
D-Rob: 90 ovr
Kawhi: 89 ovr
Bruce Bowen: 80 ovr
Avery Johnson: 76 ovr
Sean Elliot: 77ovr
Danny Green: 80 ovr
George Hill: 78 ovr
Boris Diaw: 80 ovr
TEAM CORE AVG: 82.5
Other players in for stretches were Tiago Splitter, Horry, Malik Rose, Stephen Jackson, Finley, Brent Barry, Bonner, Mario Elie, Patty Mills, Steve Kerr, Derek Anderson, etc. and the overall quality of these interchangeables on a combined 2k scale is id say 86 overall relative for being surrounding parts.

TEAM CORE: 82.5 OVR, ADDITIONAL HELP: 86 OVR

I cant even front as a Kobe fan this looks pretty objective...



I really thought before this it would have been much closer and I wouldnt have been surprised to find Kobe's teammates overall rating to be the highest due to how the media pounds the idea of "SHAQSHAQSHAQ" when it comes to the Kobe narrative

Anyways kudos to Kobe Bean for winning 5 rings despite having SIGNIFICANTLY less help than any of his superstar contemporaries