Gilbert Arenas Say's LeBron will never Be On Kobe's Or Jordan's Level

[ShawkFactory]

Bran, with the help of the league, is indeed in that discussion.

Aw shucks

[3ball]

Without trolling, Bron from 09-13 is ABSOLUTELY on that level.

Horseshit - 2009 and 2010 gave us our first indication that Lebron-ball was suboptimal and not a winning style - he couldn't even make the Finals for two straight seasons despite being the favorite and 1 seed (2009 and 2010)..

And don't even THINK about saying he didn't have any help - this is disproven by the stats - the Cavs supporting cast provided enough help on top of Lebron's 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games, whereas the 1989 Bulls only provided enough help on top of MJ's 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games.. As usual, no comparison - Lebron simply had a multiple 60-win teams that failed in the playoffs and underperformed drastically.

The reality is that Lebron-ball is suboptimal and was never going to win a ring unless he team-hopped to play with Clyde Drexler and Shawn Kemp... Er, I mean Wade and Bosh...

In 2011, he played with the most talented Big 3 of all time, and he flat-out sucked - he wasn't even the best player on his own team and had the biggest choke in the history of basketball.. So don't overrate his career like most people - it's not being smart.

[ShawkFactory]

Horseshit - 2009 and 2010 gave us our first indication that Lebron-ball was suboptimal and not a winning style - he couldn't even make the Finals for two straight seasons despite being the favorite and 1 seed (2009 and 2010)..

And don't even THINK about saying he didn't have any help - this is disproven by the stats - the Cavs supporting cast provided enough help ON TOP of Lebron's 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games, whereas the 1989 Bulls only provided enough help on top of MJ's 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games.. As usual, no comparison - Lebron simply had a multiple 60-win teams that failed in the playoffs and underperformed drastically.

The reality is that Lebron-ball is suboptimal and was never going to win a ring unless he team-hopped to play with Clyde Drexler and Shawn Kemp... Er, I mean Wade and Bosh...

In 2011, he played with the most talented Big 3 of all time, and he flat-out sucked - he wasn't even the best player on his own team and had the biggest choke in the history of basketball.. So don't overrate his career like most people - it's not being smart.

Ho hum

[3ball]

No Mas

fixed

[Rocketswin2013]

The same Arenas who brought guns into an NBA locker room? Think I'll pass on whatever he has to say.

LeBron and Kobe are at the VERY least the same class/tier of player.

Laughed out-loud.

[Mr Feeny]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/0...an-kobe-bryant

Actually said that a 36 year old Jordan is better than prime Kobe. And that Lebron actually has a chance to challenge Jordan for GOAThood or at the very least end up top 3 all time.

[Mr Feeny]

Laughed out-loud.

Kobe is about 10 tiers below MJ. I was laughing too, reading that

[Droid101]

Kobe consensus top 10. Stay mad.

[3ball]

Actually said that a 36 year old Jordan is better than prime Kobe. And that Lebron actually has a chance to challenge Jordan for GOAThood or at the very least end up top 3 all time.

show me where he said this.. sounds like you made that up

he said lebron hasn't tapped into his ability to be the greatest.. of course, this makes zero sense and is just hyperbole to compensate for knocking Lebron's game earlier in his post..

he never said Lebron has a chance to challenge MJ for goat.. he said Lebron has NO chance to match MJ and MJ's the GOAT .. That's what his post actually said
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[Rocketswin2013]

Horseshit - 2009 and 2010 gave us our first indication that Lebron-ball was suboptimal and not a winning style - he couldn't even make the Finals for two straight seasons despite being the favorite and 1 seed (2009 and 2010)..

And don't even THINK about saying he didn't have any help - this is disproven by the stats - the Cavs supporting cast provided enough help on top of Lebron's 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games, whereas the 1989 Bulls only provided enough help on top of MJ's 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games.. As usual, no comparison - Lebron simply had a multiple 60-win teams that failed in the playoffs and underperformed drastically.

The reality is that Lebron-ball is suboptimal and was never going to win a ring unless he team-hopped to play with Clyde Drexler and Shawn Kemp... Er, I mean Wade and Bosh...

In 2011, he played with the most talented Big 3 of all time, and he flat-out sucked - he wasn't even the best player on his own team and had the biggest choke in the history of basketball.. So don't overrate his career like most people - it's not being smart.

You are actually ****ing stupid if you think the Cavs won so many games in 2009 and 2010 because the team was great outside of LeBron. You also need to stop using 28/8/7 as if it were some measly statline. James went out and got that playing at early 2000's playoff game pace.

Not like Jordan playing for stats at the detriment of the offense in a fastbreak league in 1989. How you can even be delusional enough to keep mentioning such an exposed, known, empty stats season says a lot.


When on the court his team was also ATG level in terms of offensive efficiency. LeBron-ball rivaled peak Nash Suns and the Showtime Lakers in terms of effectiveness when he was in the court. The only reason they even lost against Orlando in 2009 I'd because of how they were d-league level without him on the court.

I didn't even read the rest of your regurgitated garbage, but I skimmed it, and I've seen you spam that, "2009 & 2010 LeBron, suboptimal offensive play, I'm a Jordan c0clsucker and a pretentious pseudo-intellectual" shit too many times.

[warriorfan]

LeBron had help in 2009 and 2010. He had no business losing to a Jameer Nelsonless Orlando team in 2009. Best player was Dwight....second best player was Ra$hard Lewis.

[3ball]

Your also need to stop using 28/8/7 as if it were some measly statline. James went out and got that playing at early 2000's playoff game pace.

MJ's stats are still better after accounting for pace.

Accept the cold hard facts - Lebron's 2009 supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games in 2009, while MJ's 1989 Bulls only added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games..

Lebron's cast provided had 60+ win help, while MJ's cast only provided 47-win help - those are the facts - they're not refutable.. 2+2=4.

LeBron-ball rivaled peak Nash Suns in terms of effectiveness when he was in the court.

Yes, I agree - Lebron-ball was on that peak-Nash level: suboptimal as **** and a losing style of play in the playoffs..

That's why he lost as the favorite and 1 seed in 2009 and 2010 - Lebron/Nash-ball is suboptimal and NOT CAPABLE of winning at a high level in the playoffs.

Face it - Lebron is a Karl Malone-level player, except he team-hopped while in his prime to play with the league's best talent.. Otherwise, he'd be ringless like Karl.

The only reason they even lost in 2009 is because they were d-league without him on the court.

EVERY team is much worse without their star player on the court - so this argument is meaningless.
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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Laughed out-loud.

What's so funny?

They're both typically ranked at the back end of the top 10.

[Rocketswin2013]

What's so funny?

They're both typically ranked at the back end of the top 10.

Doesn't mean it's for a good reason.

[Droid101]

feeny is a liar and a fraud. no surprises in this thread.